Has Wayne hurt his legacy by not retiring after C5 as he claimed he would?

[when_it_snow_im_on_top]

Funeral was basically wood though, if it goes below that?

Funeral basically silver lol. It didnt do terrible it did bad but it aint wood level yet lmao

[danielnfl36]

Funeral basically silver lol. It didnt do terrible it did bad but it aint wood level yet lmao

wasn't first week like 2-3k? I mean it's a major letdown for someone as big as Wayne so that's wood to me even if it's not by standards.

[when_it_snow_im_on_top]

wasn't first week like 2-3k? I mean it's a major letdown for someone as big as Wayne so that's wood to me even if it's not by standards.

bro what Funeral did 139k first week

[Zodiac!]

Funeral was basically wood though, if it goes below that?

naaah 140k is not a flop. Ross sold 75k or something, Game 25k. There is still interest in Wayne's music generally speaking. However in order to sell more than 250k first week and eventually going platin everyone in charge including Wayne have to deliver.

edit: yeah deluxe sold under ten but that only goes to show that most people don't really care about Funeral. It's great at times but ultimately a messy album.

[danielnfl36]

bro what Funeral did 139k first week

sorry, meant to say dlx version.

[when_it_snow_im_on_top]

sorry, meant to say dlx version.

Deluxe isnt a separate release... The week the deluxe dropped funeral sold about 10k which was like its 30th week

[Shake]

I said I might retire but yall know I be high

[lilwayne-carter]

Funeral was basically wood though, if it goes below that?

funeral was not wood

[martian master]

naaah 140k is not a flop. Ross sold 75k or something, Game 25k. There is still interest in Wayne's music generally speaking. However in order to sell more than 250k first week and eventually going platin everyone in charge including Wayne have to deliver.

edit: yeah deluxe sold under ten but that only goes to show that most people don't really care about Funeral. It's great at times but ultimately a messy album.

game and Ross are not GOATS man. Wayne isn't compared to them, Jeezy, or TI.

wayne is supposed to be on Kanye and Em's level. Both sold 200K+ first week in late 2019/2020 and went gold easily. Even Jay Z's last solo album did 200K+. Wayne did 140 and is barely scraping his way to 400K. Its only July and it's already not a top 10 debut.

And albums which sold much less first week have caught up and outsold Funeral. For example,
Funeral did 139K first week and has sold less than 460K in 6 months (probably around 400K).

Gunna did 111K first week and has sold 461K in 2 1/2 months.
DaBaby did 124K first week and has sold 702K in 3 1/2 months.
MoneyBagg Yo did 66K first week and has sold 521K in 7 months.
Rodwave did 72K first week and has sold 462K in 4 months.
Megan Thee Stallion did 41K first week and has sold 520K in 5 months.
A-Boogie did 120K first week and has sold 600K in 6 months.

This is Wayne's first album since C1 to not produce a Platinum single.
His first album since C2 to not produce a top 20 charting single.
His first album ever to potentially not even go Gold.
(not including FWA)

this album flopped miserably. Especially for someone of wayne's level

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Funeral basically silver lol. It didnt do terrible it did bad but it aint wood level yet lmao

You reaching with silver lol you and i both know silver doesnt exist in US

[mania983]

game and Ross are not GOATS man. Wayne isn't compared to them, Jeezy, or TI.

wayne is supposed to be on Kanye and Em's level. Both sold 200K+ first week in late 2019/2020 and went gold easily. Wayne did 140 and is barely scraping his way to 400K. Its only July and it's already not a top 10 debut.

And albums which sold much less first week have caught up and outsold Funeral. For example,
Funeral did 139K first week and has sold less than 460K in 6 months (probably around 400K).

Gunna did 111K first week and has sold 461K in 2 1/2 months.
DaBaby did 124K first week and has sold 702K in 3 1/2 months.
MoneyBagg Yo did 66K first week and has sold 521K in 7 months.
Rodwave did 72K first week and has sold 462K in 4 months.
Megan Thee Stallion did 41K first week and has sold 520K in 5 months.
A-Boogie did 120K first week and has sold 600K in 6 months.

it is wayne's first album since C1 to not have a single song atleast go platinum
and first since C2 to not have atleast one song go top 20.
and possibly his first album ever not to go atleast Gold

this album flopped miserably. Especially for someone of wayne's level

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You reaching with silver lol you and i both know silver doesnt exist in US

What do you think is the reason Funeral failed so much? Because at first almost everyone liked the album. I remember when it dropped everyone here and on KTT2 were saying that Wayne was rapping his ass off

[martian master]

What do you think is the reason Funeral failed so much? Because at first almost everyone liked the album. I remember when it dropped everyone here and on KTT2 were saying that Wayne was rapping his ass off

he's rapping above average
he needs to pay more attention to song structure. More effort into catchy hooks. Catchy hooks create hit songs, hit songs generate sales. A song that was well structured for example was Dreams.

Also needs better delivery/cadence. Also needs to listen to what's out right now and what artists are hot. And work with them rather than fucking OT Genesis. Also more variety. There were 4 songs with chorus's about balling - Harden (great song of course), Wild Dogs (bitch Ima ball and ...), Bing James, Ball Hard (cmon. This hook was lazy as fuck)

Id like Wayne to get off his high horse and listen to what artists are putting out today. Maybe draw some inspiration from it to make stuff that sounds relevant to today's sound. Idk, he may of tried to do that with Funeral, but if he did it feels like he was going off what Mack would of said "is hot today".

also push the right songs at the right times.

When the album dropped they tried to push I Do It (good choice) and Ball Hard. They tried to create a "#BallHardChallenge" on Thriller which failed miserably. First of all, Ball Hard chorus is just confusing. And a challenge on Thriller I understand Wayne has a partnership with them but that's not where songs get hot. Pushing "I Don't Sleep" at that point and on Tiktok would of been great. The song is catchy, I can see dances being created to it and would be on a relevant platform while the song is still fresh.

But nope they drop a animated music video months later and follow it up with a 2 in 1 skatepark video for 2 other songs.

And then they drop the deluxe with no announcement at 8PM, letting it get outsold by fucking G-Herbo of all people. Like how hard is it to announce the day before so the rap IG pages post about it And last week they sent Shimmy to radio. In the middle of the BLM movement and while Doja has been "cancelled". Like come the fuck on. You have a collab with one of the hottest rappers this year - Uzi - that you could easily push but you choose one with someone who is hated right now.

At the end of the day, alot of the songs on Funeral were one and done. Didn't feel propelled to go back and listen after first listen to alot of the songs. And I'm sure many others felt this way - hence the sinking sales.

Also the album received a luke warm response overall. General consensus is that it is a C-C+ album. KTT (mentioning it because you brought it up) gave it a 67/100

[when_it_snow_im_on_top]

funeral was not wood

its a joke lol. theres not actually a wood plaque

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[QUOTE=martian master;1655668
wayne is supposed to be on Kanye and Em's level. Both sold 200K+ first week in late 2019/2020 and went gold easily.
this album flopped miserably. Especially for someone of wayne's level


You reaching with silver lol you and i both know silver doesnt exist in US [/QUOTE]

Kanye is clout chasin 25/8 to stay relevant. the nigga announced he runnin for president and his next album around the same time...
and em is white and has always been bigger than wayne for the most part. I agree Funeral should be Gold by now but I dont expect wayne to keep up with ye and em.

I know silver doesnt exist lol. Im saying it didnt flop wood level bad lmao. Its more like silver lol idk

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What do you think is the reason Funeral failed so much? Because at first almost everyone liked the album. I remember when it dropped everyone here and on KTT2 were saying that Wayne was rapping his ass off

Lack of relevant feats (not counting deluxe). Bad promo equivalent to C5 promo which was bad. Basically they put the album out and forget about it.

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also push the right songs at the right times.

And last week they sent Shimmy to radio. In the middle of the BLM movement and while Doja has been "cancelled". Like come the fuck on. You have a collab with one of the hottest rappers this year - Uzi - that you could easily push but you choose one with someone who is hated right now.

Also the album received a luke warm response overall.

Pushing the right songs is key tbh. Like I Do It was lead single and they did nothing for it. Shimmy being second single made no sense at all like you said.

I agree album got luke warm response 6.5/10 isnt bad but theres always room for improvement. Honestly just changing some of the feats would make album better. Also hes farther away from commercial peak so he has to put out better bodies of work compared to ianahb2 days.