R.I.P. Drake! The original '10 Bands' gets leaked

[WeezyFan]

Wayne did this song too?

nah, talking about this:

[JayThompson305]

Quentin Miller - ??

everyone can shutup now lol

[Lil Waynes Height]

Quentin Miller - ??

everyone can shutup now lol

Birdman also said he wasn't involved in the shooting of Wayne's tour bus, doesn't mean it's true

[EatYourSpinach]

Duh he's getting paid. Everyone's heard the reference track, of course he's gonna say no

From that QM post...

they put me on the credits (Ghostwritter???)

I'm pretty sure he's addressing the "ghostwriting" rumors. No one appears to be denying he was a credited song writer, which he was (hence the reference track that contained some of the lines from Drake's 10 Bands).

As Drake's longtime producer/collaborator Noah Shebib said on Twitter...

I can't count the hours that myself and drake have spent writing producing and recording music. Let's just say... 5000 hours...I've spent maybe 30 min in a studio with Q. Nice enough guy, very talented...If your asking if he contributed to if you're reading this... Yes, he did. You can also see that by reading the credits.

Most folks don't consider being a credited writer acknowledged in the liner notes being a ghostwriter since... well you're visibly credited for your contributions. Ghostwriters are typically not obviously credited despite doing the work.

That's why this whole uproar around this thing kind of confuses me. If we're talking about ghostwriting, someone needs to put up evidence of a song QM worked on that he DID NOT get a writer credit on. People should either put up or shut up. If on the other hand people are now calling credited writers ghostwriters, then everyone does it. Heck, since Meek Mill brought it up just swing by the credits for his album Dreams Worth More Than Money on Wikipedia. Dude has loads of people writing his songs, just like most other rappers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams_Worth_More_Than_Money

Seems like a bunch of nonsense to me. Look up 2Pac's classic All Eyez on Me, another writer credited for every song. Illmatic by Nas, loads of songwriter credits. Same with Jay-Z. Same with Kanye. Same with Eminem. Same with Lil Wayne. Same with both albums from Kendrick Lamar. Go check it out for yourself, almost everyone has writing help. You could post up any of those albums in the same way Meek Mill did for Drake. The only difference is people's reactions. When it's Drake he's fake, when it's any of those other guys - crickets. The only thing phony about this Drake feud is the way people have trashed him. People just looking for any excuse.


USAToday had a nice bit up about this if anyone is interested.
Here?s what you need to know about this feud between Drake and Meek Mill | For The Win

"If you write raps for other rappers to perform and the record label cuts you checks for doing so, you’re not a ghostwriter– that’s a publishing deal. Like it or not, this is what the industry is now."

[weezy_cold_blood]

im sorry but what song did wayne use this for??? i dont recognize it at all

Alphabet. SFTW2

[EastsideBoi89]

If somebody in the studio gives u even one word u gotta put them in the credits, all credited writers aren't ghost writers and that's what Niggas fail to understand. Furthermore, he is NOT a ghost writer. He gave the nigga a reference track which basically gives drake the delivery and way to flow on a track. Only people in the game that do that are pop stars.


40 was basically saying drake is an artist and because he's an artist he gets a pass for this bullshit. The only nigga that gets a pass for having 10 other niggas writing one song is Kanye cause MBDTF is the outcome. Kanye's a creatives genius so he gets a pass. But once rappers start getting reference tracks and they still call themselves "the best rapper" for shit that ain't even write then he's a gimmick


wayne might've had a few writers write certain songs, but most of Wayne's career he's gotten in the studio and pretty much freestyled everything. He don't write shit down. Don't compare hov and Wayne to drake cause they don't get REFERENCE tracks for a FEATURE, let alone 6 whole tracks on an album

The only person who wrote for Wayne is Shanell and that was just rock songs not straight rap

[robbie1017]

they tryna finish drake off lol

[lilweezyfan]

The only person who wrote for Wayne is Shanell and that was just rock songs not straight rap

Gillie wrote for Wayne though
But only one song from C1 and a couple of feature hooks.

[TheMaker420]

Karen Civil.com

[EatYourSpinach]

If somebody in the studio gives u even one word u gotta put them in the credits, all credited writers aren't ghost writers and that's what Niggas fail to understand. Furthermore, he is NOT a ghost writer. He gave the nigga a reference track which basically gives drake the delivery and way to flow on a track. Only people in the game that do that are pop stars.


40 was basically saying drake is an artist and because he's an artist he gets a pass for this bullshit. The only nigga that gets a pass for having 10 other niggas writing one song is Kanye cause MBDTF is the outcome. Kanye's a creatives genius so he gets a pass. But once rappers start getting reference tracks and they still call themselves "the best rapper" for shit that ain't even write then he's a gimmick


wayne might've had a few writers write certain songs, but most of Wayne's career he's gotten in the studio and pretty much freestyled everything. He don't write shit down. Don't compare hov and Wayne to drake cause they don't get REFERENCE tracks for a FEATURE, let alone 6 whole tracks on an album

Good, so it seems we agree. You're completely correct about people being in the studio and giving you even one word. And you're again correct that credited writers aren't usually considered ghostwriters... this is exactly what I was saying. QM was saying this as well. The reason I mentioned it was that originally you said QM was saying "no". He wasn't, everyone (even Noah) was admitting his involvement, it's in the credits. The only thing people are saying "no" to is that he's ghostwriting for Drake. But since we all agree he's a credited writer properly being paid for his work it's best to put that to bed.

As for the rest of it, I can understand your opinion. In rap music people really cling to this idea that everyone should be writing all their own lyrics. Probably because they don't actually create the music and rely mostly on sample and producers, people put a larger focus on the lyrics. That said, as I mentioned you should really check out the song writing credits for all the rappers I mentioned. Kendrick Lamar doesn't have a single writers credit for any song on either of his two albums. I'm telling you I read up on Nas, 2Pac, Jay-Z, Wayne, Meek Mill, Eminem. They all did it. I did notice Eminem had one song on the Eminem Show without any other writers, but I only noticed that because seeing one song writer credit really stood out. It's everywhere. It is possible that some or even most of the time the co-writing credits do come from people providing just one word, but it's extremely unlikely that's the case for all of it. It just seems slightly naive to look at album after album filled with dozens of people writing for each rapper... and then to jump to the conclusion that Drake's the only "fake" rapper because you heard a reference track.

Everyone pays for and uses credited writers on their songs and albums. That's the only comparison I made and it stands. There's no way to know exactly how much anyone contributed to anything. It's all just speculation. The only thing we do know is that all of the "real" rappers pay for writers, I couldn't find a single one who wrote everything themselves. Everything else is some weird internet fanboy thing and I don't really care to argue that. Just look at this thing with Drake. It's gone from ghostwriting, to reference tracks, to excuses for everyone else. Unless the other reference tracks start leaking, you'll never know who's getting tracks for what. I've heard Eminem doing them for Dre and I've heard some that Jay-Z have gotten too. It's not a new thing and it's not something only Drake does. People like to hate on Drake, so that's what they do.


Oh and you made me curious. You said Drake got a reference track for a feature, I'd love to hear it. I know Meek Mill said Quentin Miller wrote some of Drake's feature on R.I.C.O. (and QM was properly credited for that), but I didn't know a reference track existed. I'd love to hear it and I'd love to hear the other 5 reference tracks from his album you mentioned. I know QM had writing credits on 6 songs from the last album (FWIW Drake had cowriters on all of them), but the other 5 reference tracks are news to me. I already heard the short 10 Bands reference snippet that was posted here, IMO Drake really improved that. I found it really interesting to get some insight into how the song came together. It went from that brief forgetable snippet into the summer jam Drake made it. So please man... I've only heard that one reference track. Since there are so many more, spread the love!

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The only person who wrote for Wayne is Shanell and that was just rock songs not straight rap

If that's true they're very generous with the amount of song writing credits they give out. I'm struggling to find a single song where Wayne gets a solo song writing credit. Any pointers? So far I've ruled out Carter III, Rebirth, IANAHB, Carter IV...

To be fair "Tie My Hands" on Carter III was just Carter and Robin Thicke (singing the hook) so that kind of counts. I'm pretty sure there are a few more where they're giving song writing credits out for the samples, but sheesh these credits are insane.

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I went through Tha Carter III credit by credit and it does look like most of the song writing credits are for the producer and whoever they have singing the hook. Some of them aren't easy to track down, but that would explain a lot of Wayne's credits.

Tha Carter IV on the other hand, looks like he had help writing. Intro has a song writing credit for Mack Maine, Blunt Blowin has a song writing credit for rapper Andrew Canton (who also wrote the hook for Right Above It). Maybe that's why Carter III > Carter IV. He should stick to writing his own.

[EatYourSpinach]

writing credits and being given a whole reference track is two different things tho.

Exactly, and like I said we have no way of knowing how many other writing credits are for reference tracks unless someone leaks them. Drake didn't invent the practice, it's been around for a while.

This started with ghost writing rumors, so far that one looks false. Then it went to complaining about writing credits, but seeing as that's a very common practice among other rappers the complaints moved again. Now it's about reference tracks. Maybe everyone just respected Drake way more than I did... using reference track doesn't really surprise me. How much he improved that short minute long track? Now THAT surprised me. Took something kinda forgettable and turned it into a great summer jam. Tossed half of it, kept the hook, made it great. I would be curious to hear what QM could do with a full three minutes though.

Speaking of QM and his reference tracks.

Don't compare hov and Wayne to drake cause they don't get REFERENCE tracks for a FEATURE, let alone 6 whole tracks on an album

Can I again request you pass those reference tracks you mentioned along? A REFERENCE track (or several?) for a FEATURE? That's crazy, lol, I had no idea. I did know QM is a credited writer for Drake's feature on R.I.C.O., that's what supposedly started this Meek Mill business. I haven't heard anything about a reference track for that, please post it up! So far I've only heard the 10 bands snippet, but you said he got one reference track for 6 whole tracks on the album. I'd love to hear the other 5 tracks and even the whole version of 10 Bands, the one I heard was only like a minute long or 1/3 the length of the actual track.

Maybe you confused the fact that QM has writing credits on 6 tracks with ALL of them being reference tracks or if I'm just really behind on the news. I did read Funkmaster Flex claiming he had 3 more reference tracks, but I don't think he's put those out. Seems like hearing a brief reference track caused every writing credit to get exaggerated... but I don't know. Suddenly using parts of a verse and parts of a hook on a minute long reference track change into reference tracks for a feature and 6 whole songs! But maybe I'm wrong, if you've got those reference tracks I for one would love to hear them. Maybe pass some along to Funkmaster Flex...

[Danny M]

im sorry but what song did wayne use this for??? i dont recognize it at all

It leaked, it's not known whether Wayne actually recorded his version, but most-likely he did and it's not been released because the Drake reference song leaked.