Arguments On PS3 Against 360

[prezidential]

Re: Arguments On PS3 Against 360

Good job skipping over where you said i quoted you. I guess you got unlucky with yours. I'll remain a loyal customer to Microsoft.

[XTaCiDe]

Re: Arguments On PS3 Against 360

Halo is the highest selling video game franchise of all time, on any platform.

And MW2 had the fastest selling DLC of all time, on any platform. With the MW2 dlc selling over 2.5 mill in the first week.

And who cares if you can browse the internet on your ps3, i have a computer for that.

and 360 runs games waaaayyyyyy cleaner.

Oh, and NETFLIX BIATCH

EDIT: Media support? Fuck you mean, i can download songs to my HDD from a cd, then play them INGAME, so i can play Wayne While im playing COD.

Ok...? I don't see your point.

Again, don't see your point.

Ok.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It runs games "cleaner?" What does that even mean?

PS3 has a movie service as well, offering almost exactly what 360 offers through Netflix.

[Enigma]

Re: Arguments On PS3 Against 360

I think Mario is the highest selling video game franchise though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... franchises

[Free_Tune]

Re: Arguments On PS3 Against 360

Good job skipping over where you said i quoted you. I guess you got unlucky with yours. I'll remain a loyal customer to Microsoft.

Are You Hatin On Obama?

[prezidential]

Re: Arguments On PS3 Against 360

Haha, yes i'm hating on Obama, my sig is kind of off-topic though isnt it?

I voted for Obama, then i realized how fucked up our country is going to be in 20 years.

And @enigma That list aint even updated, MW2 alone has sold over 25million, and we're talking "console exclusives" :p

[prezidential]

Re: Arguments On PS3 Against 360

Halo is the highest selling video game franchise of all time, on any platform.

And MW2 had the fastest selling DLC of all time, on any platform. With the MW2 dlc selling over 2.5 mill in the first week.

And who cares if you can browse the internet on your ps3, i have a computer for that.

and 360 runs games waaaayyyyyy cleaner.

Oh, and NETFLIX BIATCH

EDIT: Media support? Fuck you mean, i can download songs to my HDD from a cd, then play them INGAME, so i can play Wayne While im playing COD.

Ok...? I don't see your point.

Again, don't see your point.

Ok.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It runs games "cleaner?" What does that even mean?

PS3 has a movie service as well, offering almost exactly what 360 offers through Netflix.

Really? PS3 lets you watch brand new movies, for free?

And the game runs cleaner, like faster load times, etc.

[Free_Tune]

Re: Arguments On PS3 Against 360

Halo is the highest selling video game franchise of all time, on any platform.

And MW2 had the fastest selling DLC of all time, on any platform. With the MW2 dlc selling over 2.5 mill in the first week.

And who cares if you can browse the internet on your ps3, i have a computer for that.

and 360 runs games waaaayyyyyy cleaner.

Oh, and NETFLIX BIATCH

EDIT: Media support? Fuck you mean, i can download songs to my HDD from a cd, then play them INGAME, so i can play Wayne While im playing COD.

Ok...? I don't see your point.

Again, don't see your point.

Ok.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It runs games "cleaner?" What does that even mean?

PS3 has a movie service as well, offering almost exactly what 360 offers through Netflix.

Really? PS3 lets you watch brand new movies, for free?

And the game runs cleaner, like faster load times, etc.

YEP

[XTaCiDe]

Re: Arguments On PS3 Against 360

Halo is the highest selling video game franchise of all time, on any platform.

And MW2 had the fastest selling DLC of all time, on any platform. With the MW2 dlc selling over 2.5 mill in the first week.

And who cares if you can browse the internet on your ps3, i have a computer for that.

and 360 runs games waaaayyyyyy cleaner.

Oh, and NETFLIX BIATCH

EDIT: Media support? Fuck you mean, i can download songs to my HDD from a cd, then play them INGAME, so i can play Wayne While im playing COD.

Ok...? I don't see your point.

Again, don't see your point.

Ok.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It runs games "cleaner?" What does that even mean?

PS3 has a movie service as well, offering almost exactly what 360 offers through Netflix.

Really? PS3 lets you watch brand new movies, for free?

And the game runs cleaner, like faster load times, etc.

It isn't for free, and neither is 360.


Faster load times vary with every single game. One wouldn't be able to say that games runs "cleaner" on one console than the other unless he or she were to average every single games' load times on both consoles, which I highly doubt you're prepared to do.

[prezidential]

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Haha, i knowmultiple people who own both consoles, that almost all say the 360 runs cleaner.

And uhmmm yeahhhhh netflix is free, you find codes online, and you get unlimited rentals, and stream em straight from your 360.

This is from a "Game Developers" POV

Being a video game developer (I develop for both, Playstation 3 and XBOX 360) people ask me almost daily which platform I think is better. These are my personal feelings, in no way does this reflect my employer.

Short answer: XBOX 360.

Long answer: Price, performance, visual quality, game selection and online support. I think the XBOX 360 wins in every category.

Price: This is obvious; the XBOX 360 core is only $299. The PS3 is around $499 for the 20GB version. It comes with a hard drive, but you don't need a hard drive to enjoy a lot of great games on the 360 so I think it's fair to compare both core systems.

Performance: On paper, the PS3 is more powerful. In reality, it's quite inferior to the 360. Without getting into too many details, the three general-purpose CPU's the xbox360 has are currently FAR easier to take advantage of than the SPU's on the PS3. I suspect a few years down the road some high budget, first party PS3 exclusive titles will come out that really take advantage of the SPU's and do things the XBOX 360 can't, but I don't think the console is worth buying based on this speculation (for some it will be though, we'll have to wait and see how these games turn out).

Graphics: The XBOX 360 is a clear winner. The GPU is more powerful. It has more powerful fillrate, and far more pixel and vertex processing horsepower. Part of the reason is their choice of memory, and architecture of pixel and vertex procesing. I can't get into details but the same vertex shader will run much slower on the PS3 than the XBOX 360. The 360 also has a clever new way rendering high definition anti aliased back buffers. To accomplish the same effect on PS3 is prohibitively expensive. For this reason I think many games will have no choice but to run in non-HD resolutions on the PS3 version, use a lower quality anti aliasing technique, or do back buffer upscaling. The end result in all cases is going to be noticeably worse image quality.

Game Selection: The XBOX 360 has a huge head start here. 1 year is an eternity in gaming. Almost all multi-platform developers have made the XBOX 360 their primary platform due to timing of release-to-market, this means the games will look and perform better on the 360. The PS3 versions will be ports of the 360 versions. (The opposite was true for XBOX 1 vs. PS2). The XBOX 360 is also far faster to develop for due to better development tools (massively popular Visual Studio .NET vs. proprietary, buggy PS3 compiler and debugger), better documentation, and easier architecture (3 general purpose CPU's vs. 8 specialized processors that require DMA). Timing has also caused all next-gen middleware developers to make XBOX 360 their primary platform, and they will 'add ps3 support' as needed. This support will probably be inferior to the XBOX 360's due to manpower and more importantly, demand. It's this catch-22 now that will continue to drive the 360 forward and hold PS3 back.

The other obvious point here is that right now the Xbox360 already has a very impressive line-up of titles on store shelves; the ps3 just launched, and has virtually nothing of interest. Also, many 360 games are already discounted. PS3 games are all full price since it just launched.

Live: Microsoft's online support with XBOX1 was phenomenal. They built in-house experience, user base, facilities, $$ commitment from executive level (since it proved successful), and most importantly, feedback from 100,000s of XBOX Live subscribers. Playstation 2's online support sucked. They are now playing catch-up, trying to emulate Xbox's model. But they had their hands tied just trying to make the PS3 work, it was incredibly ambitious (blu-ray etc.). I haven't seen it yet, but I seriously doubt the quality will be anywhere to the level of XBOX 360.

Via - http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm

[XTaCiDe]

Re: Arguments On PS3 Against 360

Haha, i knowmultiple people who own both consoles, that almost all say the 360 runs cleaner.

And uhmmm yeahhhhh netflix is free, you find codes online, and you get unlimited rentals, and stream em straight from your 360.

This is from a "Game Developers" POV

Being a video game developer (I develop for both, Playstation 3 and XBOX 360) people ask me almost daily which platform I think is better. These are my personal feelings, in no way does this reflect my employer.

Short answer: XBOX 360.

Long answer: Price, performance, visual quality, game selection and online support. I think the XBOX 360 wins in every category.

Price: This is obvious; the XBOX 360 core is only $299. The PS3 is around $499 for the 20GB version. It comes with a hard drive, but you don't need a hard drive to enjoy a lot of great games on the 360 so I think it's fair to compare both core systems.

Performance: On paper, the PS3 is more powerful. In reality, it's quite inferior to the 360. Without getting into too many details, the three general-purpose CPU's the xbox360 has are currently FAR easier to take advantage of than the SPU's on the PS3. I suspect a few years down the road some high budget, first party PS3 exclusive titles will come out that really take advantage of the SPU's and do things the XBOX 360 can't, but I don't think the console is worth buying based on this speculation (for some it will be though, we'll have to wait and see how these games turn out).

Graphics: The XBOX 360 is a clear winner. The GPU is more powerful. It has more powerful fillrate, and far more pixel and vertex processing horsepower. Part of the reason is their choice of memory, and architecture of pixel and vertex procesing. I can't get into details but the same vertex shader will run much slower on the PS3 than the XBOX 360. The 360 also has a clever new way rendering high definition anti aliased back buffers. To accomplish the same effect on PS3 is prohibitively expensive. For this reason I think many games will have no choice but to run in non-HD resolutions on the PS3 version, use a lower quality anti aliasing technique, or do back buffer upscaling. The end result in all cases is going to be noticeably worse image quality.

Game Selection: The XBOX 360 has a huge head start here. 1 year is an eternity in gaming. Almost all multi-platform developers have made the XBOX 360 their primary platform due to timing of release-to-market, this means the games will look and perform better on the 360. The PS3 versions will be ports of the 360 versions. (The opposite was true for XBOX 1 vs. PS2). The XBOX 360 is also far faster to develop for due to better development tools (massively popular Visual Studio .NET vs. proprietary, buggy PS3 compiler and debugger), better documentation, and easier architecture (3 general purpose CPU's vs. 8 specialized processors that require DMA). Timing has also caused all next-gen middleware developers to make XBOX 360 their primary platform, and they will 'add ps3 support' as needed. This support will probably be inferior to the XBOX 360's due to manpower and more importantly, demand. It's this catch-22 now that will continue to drive the 360 forward and hold PS3 back.

The other obvious point here is that right now the Xbox360 already has a very impressive line-up of titles on store shelves; the ps3 just launched, and has virtually nothing of interest. Also, many 360 games are already discounted. PS3 games are all full price since it just launched.

Live: Microsoft's online support with XBOX1 was phenomenal. They built in-house experience, user base, facilities, $$ commitment from executive level (since it proved successful), and most importantly, feedback from 100,000s of XBOX Live subscribers. Playstation 2's online support sucked. They are now playing catch-up, trying to emulate Xbox's model. But they had their hands tied just trying to make the PS3 work, it was incredibly ambitious (blu-ray etc.). I haven't seen it yet, but I seriously doubt the quality will be anywhere to the level of XBOX 360.

Via - http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm

That was written when the PS3 first launched and 360 had a year+ on the PS3 already. The very make-up of PS3 has changed completely since this time (the eight processors, as well as almost everything else) and prices have dropped. This guy also thinks that the PS3 can't even run in HD successfully...

[prezidential]

Re: Arguments On PS3 Against 360

Nonono, if you look at the CORE shit that he's talking about, nothing has changed.

[XTaCiDe]

Re: Arguments On PS3 Against 360

He himself says that down the line, if the PS3 is utilized to it's full potential, it will out-do 360, no doubt about it. He just felt that it was way too early to base that off speculation because the PS3 had just came out when that article was written, which brings me back to my point: the very core of the PS3 has change so much since this time. Developers are now beginning to realize the PS3's full potential, which will lead to even further developments.



It may seem as if I am a fanboy, but I own both consoles and just base the things I have said off of first-hand experiences and facts.