Lil Wayne Has 2 Of The Top 500 Albums Of All Time According To Rolling Stone

[Dwise]

I came in this thread because I thought it was cool that Wayne was getting recognized at all only to see niggas saying C5 is up there with TPAB.
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TPAB is the superior album lyrically, conceptually, and production wise.

And yes DAMN is Kendricks worst album, but its still better then C5 which really just shows how far Wayne has fallen.

C5 had direction, but Wayne still went all over the place with it. Too many filler songs that can be skipped.

Songs like Used 2, Mona Lisa, and Let it Fly are bangers but don't mesh with the albums introspective theme at all.

Kendrick doesn't just throw random ass songs together and call it an album and that's why he has more classics then Wayne and will continue to have more classics then him.

Funeral is the perfect example of why Wayne is stuck with only Carter 2 and Carter 3 being considered classics.
Man has a project titled FUNERAL and all 20+ songs are nothing about the actual album title.

Wayne don't got a vision with his albums and is stuck rapping about the same shit on every song.

[jhoya101]

I came in this thread because I thought it was cool that Wayne was getting recognized at all only to see niggas saying C5 is up there with TPAB.
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TPAB is the superior album lyrically, conceptually, and production wise.

And yes DAMN is Kendricks worst album, but its still better then C5 which really just shows how far Wayne has fallen.

C5 had direction, but Wayne still went all over the place with it. Too many filler songs that can be skipped.

Songs like Used 2, Mona Lisa, and Let it Fly are bangers but don't mesh with the albums introspective theme at all.

Kendrick doesn't just throw random ass songs together and call it an album and that's why he has more classics then Wayne and will continue to have more classics then him.

Funeral is the perfect example of why Wayne is stuck with only Carter 2 and Carter 3 being considered classics.
Man has a project titled FUNERAL and all 20+ songs are nothing about the actual album title.

Wayne don't got a vision with his albums and is stuck rapping about the same shit on every song.

dedication 2, da drought 3, no ceilings all classics too. and c1 and c4 arent too far off. c5 is better to me than c4 but c4 is closer to classic somehow.

wayne has 5 classics

kendrick ill give him section 8, gkmc, people want to say tpab fine. if we give him damn thts still only 4.

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ianhab2 is actually cohesive too. lol. no cap. not sayin its classic but it is cohesive, and so is fwa and really funeral

but i agree he has no real vision with his albums. he just gets into a workspace and usually has a style that defines the album soncially. or even his style of rapping. and his albums sort of just are a collection of songs from whatever style of rapping and delivery i guess he's in. i to me his biggest downfall is idk if he chooses the best songs from each era. wheras a kendrick or kanye self pick every song and choose the best ones.

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thats why to me c5 may be his least most cohesive album. and thts just because it was over the course of 4-5 years. his dedicate style is drastically different than his mona lisa, gotti style.

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sure its the same stuff but what always stands out to me from wayne is his rhyme schemes and flow. tht makes him elite and a couple mind blowing bars here and there. let it fly is genius not because of what he saying but because of the rhyme schemes. same as a lot of waynes best verses. death wish, m's etc. and then he has pure bar tracks i.e miss me, ignorant sht, family feud etc. where its his punchlines and then he has those just nasty flows i.e you, no problem, haterz etc. in most of waynes most memorable work the content isnt what seperates him.

now on a side note his love songs are genius. have been since c1 era. i.e shine, reciept, comfortable, how to hate, perfect strangersn etc then he always has a few concept songs i.e snitch, let the beat build, nightmares of the bottom, feel me, mona lisa etc. but a wayne album is usually a combination of straight rapping, maybe a song or too with a catchy hook and good rapping, couple love songs, one or two conceptual songs, and a song for the times. maybe a heartfelt song i.e tie my hands, i miss my dawgs, shooter, dark side, abortion kinda and then some vibe songs i.e mo fire, hittas etc.

the difference between the albums tho is the style of rapping and delivery and even type of production which makes it cohesive. his albums are most cohesive then people give him credit for. they usually just dont reflect just how good of a rapper he was at those times. c1, c2, c3 are closest tho.

especially c1

[BrewCityCM]

I came in this thread because I thought it was cool that Wayne was getting recognized at all only to see niggas saying C5 is up there with TPAB.
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TPAB is the superior album lyrically, conceptually, and production wise.

And yes DAMN is Kendricks worst album, but its still better then C5 which really just shows how far Wayne has fallen.

C5 had direction, but Wayne still went all over the place with it. Too many filler songs that can be skipped.

Songs like Used 2, Mona Lisa, and Let it Fly are bangers but don't mesh with the albums introspective theme at all.

Kendrick doesn't just throw random ass songs together and call it an album and that's why he has more classics then Wayne and will continue to have more classics then him.

Funeral is the perfect example of why Wayne is stuck with only Carter 2 and Carter 3 being considered classics.
Man has a project titled FUNERAL and all 20+ songs are nothing about the actual album title.

Wayne don't got a vision with his albums and is stuck rapping about the same shit on every song.

This is the general consensus of literally everyone outside of this site

[jhoya101]

another side note the filler thing is true. and thts even from c1 era through now. he usually has 1 or two songs that can be skipped. not sure why tho.

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This is the general consensus of literally everyone outside of this site

true but alot of that is unwarranted. kendrick is more cohesive and distinct to the general public.... fans lack to realize waynes cohesiveness and changes are through his lyrical style, production, and delievry. every wayne album is drastically different from those three criterias. its literally only the same from overall subject matter. people just dont see that. wayne has more clever songs than kendrick to me from c1-c5. its just his albums as a whole dont have themes or whatever. but i dont get why wayne even gets knocked for that. wayne genius is in his words and his ability to make A song not a album. wayne has better songs than albums. kendrick has great songs too but not as many standout songs.

he just lacked cohesiveness on c5. but its literally just c5. lol

i also believe kendrick benefits from being in one of the weaker times in rap. if those albums dropped in the mid 2000s kendrick would be talib kweli. waynes carters would hit in every era.

and not even tryna sound bias cuz i am a kendrick fan. but he gets such an unncessary boost.

kendricks best songs on tpab dont touch let it fly, dope new gospel, perfect strangers, start this off right, mona lisa, hittas, uproar, what about me, dope niggaz, or let it all workout. its just waynes filler brings it down so low we call tpab better

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but again i want to emphasize, its not waynes approach to albums tht fails him having classic albums. its the songs they choose. wyane doesnt need to rap about anything different its just the songs on the albums as a whole need to be better. like if the best songs from the sessions were on the album with no filler he would have more classic albums and they would be exponeitiany bigger than kendricks albums. kendricks albums have no bad songs but i would go to say they also have no "exceptional songs" outside of one or two. waynes albums have exceptional songs, great songs, good songs, then weak ones. and its the weak ones that bring it down.

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thats why we make these "dream album" threads, where we compile the best songs and we always say they would be classics. they dont need "lyrical themes". they need better songs. the cohesiveness is the style and delievry, and production.

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lol i know im ranting but we are selling wayne short to me.

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his albums are usually a collection of his talent in that era which each era of wayne is distinct and ifferent and his albums reflect that. its just to me the collection isnt as good as we hoped.

and i want to emphasive c5 is the only non-cohesive album wayne has. its a collection of about 3-4 different styles. every other wayne album is cohesive, maybe just not as good as we hoped and dont reflect how good he really was during those eras...

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Kendrick doesn't just throw random ass songs together and call it an album and that's why he has more classics then Wayne and will continue to have more classics then him.

he only did this on c5

[Dwise]

dedication 2, da drought 3, no ceilings all classics too. and c1 and c4 arent too far off. c5 is better to me than c4 but c4 is closer to classic somehow.

wayne has 5 classics

kendrick ill give him section 8, gkmc, people want to say tpab fine. if we give him damn thts still only 4.

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ianhab2 is actually cohesive too. lol. no cap. not sayin its classic but it is cohesive, and so is fwa and really funeral

but i agree he has no real vision with his albums. he just gets into a workspace and usually has a style that defines the album soncially. or even his style of rapping. and his albums sort of just are a collection of songs from whatever style of rapping and delivery i guess he's in. i to me his biggest downfall is idk if he chooses the best songs from each era. wheras a kendrick or kanye self pick every song and choose the best ones.

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thats why to me c5 may be his least most cohesive album. and thts just because it was over the course of 4-5 years. his dedicate style is drastically different than his mona lisa, gotti style.

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sure its the same stuff but what always stands out to me from wayne is his rhyme schemes and flow. tht makes him elite and a couple mind blowing bars here and there. let it fly is genius not because of what he saying but because of the rhyme schemes. same as a lot of waynes best verses. death wish, m's etc. and then he has pure bar tracks i.e miss me, ignorant sht, family feud etc. where its his punchlines and then he has those just nasty flows i.e you, no problem, haterz etc. in most of waynes most memorable work the content isnt what seperates him.

now on a side note his love songs are genius. have been since c1 era. i.e shine, reciept, comfortable, how to hate, perfect strangersn etc then he always has a few concept songs i.e snitch, let the beat build, nightmares of the bottom, feel me, mona lisa etc. but a wayne album is usually a combination of straight rapping, maybe a song or too with a catchy hook and good rapping, couple love songs, one or two conceptual songs, and a song for the times. maybe a heartfelt song i.e tie my hands, i miss my dawgs, shooter, dark side, abortion kinda and then some vibe songs i.e mo fire, hittas etc.

the difference between the albums tho is the style of rapping and delivery and even type of production which makes it cohesive. his albums are most cohesive then people give him credit for. they usually just dont reflect just how good of a rapper he was at those times. c1, c2, c3 are closest tho.

especially c1

The Rolling Stones was not rating these artists entire projects it was focusing on albums.
So of course Wayne's mixtapes are not going to be included here.

IANAHB2 is not cohesive at all. Saying otherwise is cap.

God Bless Amerika, and Wowzers are like night and day. Both in subject matter and quality there's no correlation between the two.

Wowzers being probably the worst song in Wayne's whole discography. If not the worst its definitely the laziest.

Wayne was headed in the right direction with C5 he just needed to push himself a little harder, and take out some filler tracks.

C5 was portrayed as a dedication to his mother as well as a tribute to Wayne's legacy, and a celebration of his comeback.

His mother speaking throughout the album was a nice touch, and set the mood for the album.

We saw a vulnerable, reflective, and honest Wayne on songs like Don't Cry, Open Letter, Perfect Strangers, and Let it all Work Out.

Dedicate with 2 chainz speaking on the instrumental showed everyone the influence Wayne had on the game.

Dark Side of the Moon, Dope New Gospel, and Demons were all good too


Overall I would give C5 a 7/10.

It was a step in the right direction.....


Then we got Funeral....which was 100 steps back.

20+ tracks, mostly filler, mostly autotune(not the good kind either), and mostly about nothing.

But the crazy thing is Fat Maine was behind putting together both C5 and Funeral.

idk how he puts together one of Wayne's most introspective albums then goes on to package an album like Funeral

Wayne needs to take a more active role in the creation of his albums or hire a professional to do it.
Cause Fat Maine is not cutting it.

[jhoya101]

Funeral is the perfect example of why Wayne is stuck with only Carter 2 and Carter 3 being considered classics.
Man has a project titled FUNERAL and all 20+ songs are nothing about the actual album title.

lol funeral still very cohesive tho. just not everyones favorite. but he went with trying to sound modern and it just didnt work out to everyone but still cohesive.

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The Rolling Stones was not rating these artists entire projects it was focusing on albums.
So of course Wayne's mixtapes are not going to be included here.

IANAHB2 is not cohesive at all. Saying otherwise is cap.

God Bless Amerika, and Wowzers are like night and day. Both in subject matter and quality there's no correlation between the two.

Wowzers being probably the worst song in Wayne's whole discography. If not the worst its definitely the laziest.

Wayne was headed in the right direction with C5 he just needed to push himself a little harder, and take out some filler tracks.

C5 was portrayed as a dedication to his mother as well as a tribute to Wayne's legacy, and a celebration of his comeback.

His mother speaking throughout the album was a nice touch, and set the mood for the album.

We saw a vulnerable, reflective, and honest Wayne on songs like Don't Cry, Open Letter, Perfect Strangers, and Let it all Work Out.

Dedicate with 2 chainz speaking on the instrumental showed everyone the influence Wayne had on the game.

Dark Side of the Moon, Dope New Gospel, and Demons were all good too


Overall I would give C5 a 7/10.

It was a step in the right direction.....


Then we got Funeral....which was 100 steps back.

20+ tracks, mostly filler, mostly autotune(not the good kind either), and mostly about nothing.

But the crazy thing is Fat Maine was behind putting together both C5 and Funeral.

idk how he puts together one of Wayne's most introspective albums then goes on to package an album like Funeral

Wayne needs to take a more active role in the creation of his albums or hire a professional to do it.
Cause Fat Maine is not cutting it.

lol cuz people were complaing he didnt rap hard enough on c5 so we got funeral. i dont think everyone wants to hear an introsprective wyane. i would be one of them. what made me a wayne fan wasnt his introspection lol. waynes prime was defined by his skill. some want introspection thts fine, to each his own but, i just like when wayne sounds good on tracks. they could all be totally non related but if they all sounded good im down. but even then if theyre all mostfly filler, mostly autotune, mostly about nothing thats still cohesive lol

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not against introsepction either. dope new gospel and let it fly are two of my favs from wayne. content toatlly different but both sound good. thats c3 in a nutshell.

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waynes talent is he can get on any kind of track about any kind of subject and make it sound good. funeral didnt have enough wild dogs, pinao traps, etc... too many bing james. too many filler but subject matter isnt the probelm to me

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nah bro ianahb2 has a disntict rapping style, dinstinct production, and a disntinct delivery. sure god bless amerika sounds different than wowerz but theyre different kinds of songs. thts like saying tie my hands sounds different than comfortable. wowerz sounds from a rapping style like mostly every other song on the album. god bless amerika sounds like back to you in a wayn but they still fit a central theme. its like tie my hands on c3.

like u can say hes rapping in a ianahb2 style.

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the "critics" dont diagnose waynes music the way they should. idk why we value them so much lol. hittas, mona lisa, more to the story speak for themselves. they are a golden vibe and celebration of his greatness. it doesnt have to be explicit. they tried to force the mother theme and introspection but it was the most forced they ever did with an album.

if i dont shes mine
hittas
mona lisa
more to the story
og scottie

have a central theme

as every other wayne album. lol

its just not explicit. really think about waynes albums. c1 has a theme, c2 has a theme, c3 has a theme, c4 has a theme, ianaahb weaker but still has a style/sort of theme, ianahb2 for sure has a theme it just is one of the weaker styles wayne or anyone of waynes stature has ever done. funeral has a theme, fwa has a theme. d2 has a theme, d1 has a theme. suffix has a theme. da drought 3 has a theme. no ceilings has a theme. sftw 1 and 2 have themes. nc2 has a theme. d4 has a theme. d6 has a theme. d6r has a theme.

now maybe im equating theme with style but waynes style usually defines the theme. the theme is his progress.

c5 is the most over the place becuase it has no disticnt style. it was recorded from over 4-5 years

its easy to see themes in kendricks work not so much in waynes work. unless one really diagnoses the work. to me waynes styles/themes are etctremely disntinct. we talk about it all the time when we discuss our favorite eras and styles. his projects reflect these eras and styles. the theme is the evolution.

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if we talk about "lyrical" themes, one would probably have to listen a lot closer to find them. they are defineitly different lyrical styles but to find themes we would have to listen closer

[Dwise]

You can be introspective and skilled at the same time.

Why people act like it can only be one or the other?

Kendrick can spit, and also be rapping about real shit.

If Wayne still had his C2, C3, or even C4 flow and delivery I probably wouldn't mind if all he did was rap that ignant shit, but his delivery and voice have fallen off so I'm looking for more from him.

Wayne has a distinct rapping style on all his albums.

C1 Wayne raps like C1 era Wayne.

C2 Wayne raps like C2 era Wayne.

C3 Wayne raps like C3 era Wayne

etc, etc.

Distinct rapping style on albums is nothing new. When Wayne drops an album it always sounds like whatever style he was using around the time it dropped.


Only exception being C5 since there were several old songs on it from times where he had a different style.

Even then idk why you think having a consistent flow or delivery is what people are talking about when they speak on an album's cohesiveness.


Production wise there was nothing special on IANAHB2.....accept for whoever was responsible for that intro...


Besides that the album had producers like Juicy J?
lol

its like tie my hands on c3.

Seeing this comparison hurts my heart

[lilweezyfan]

This is the general consensus of literally everyone outside of this site

To disagree with that post is just delusional.

[jhoya101]

the list is bs. to have tpab as the best album of all time is ludacris and i have no idea where it comes from. i heard someone say it has some of the best writing in hip hop
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snoop had the best verse on the album

[jhoya101]

in what way is tpab a better album than off the wall or thriller. the whole list is invalid

[BrewCityCM]

in what way is tpab a better album than off the wall or thriller. the whole list is invalid

They’re just opinions man.

like every single music critic in existence saying TPAB is better than C3

[jhoya101]

They’re just opinions man.

like every single music critic in existence saying TPAB is better than C3

lol is tpab better than c3 a general consensus? like forreal wondering