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Originally posted by TyIquan View PostAnd that's exactly what I said. You weren't listening to him before he blew up so you say he hasn't sold out. He did. His flow changing doesn't have shit to do with him selling out. You can't sit here and say that you know WHY he changed his flow up on C1. Who knows? But his LYRICAL CONTENT AND SUBJECT MATTER changed to appeal to more people after 06/07. Yes, his flows have always changed, but his STYLE most definitely remained constant up until his big breakthrough. C2 was so different because it HAD to be. There's only one Mannie Fresh. He didn't aim to diversify his sound. He lost his producer of his whole career. He HAD to adapt.
Lollipop and just about everything afterwards is totally different in tone and content. Now his only real street shit is on street songs he features on.
I'm sure you could have a conversation with a real Kanye fan who'd say that yes, he did sell out. But he wasn't as heavily grounded in a certain style of content as Wayne either.
3 Stacks? No. That wasn't a track out of nowhere that'd surprise anyone from someone like him.
And what the hell does him rapping about money have to do with whether or not he sold out?
i think wayne definitely aimed to change his sound on carter 2. he was about a year in to his claim as best rapper alive, but still reallly only had regional acceptance.. carter 2.. was definitely his take on east coast lyricism..
its mostly bullshit golden era thinking.. but east coast lyricism.. especially then was still the standard for lyrics. he had to reach out and give new york something they could listen to, that was pretty much undeniably nice.
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Originally posted by TyIquan View PostAnd that's exactly what I said. You weren't listening to him before he blew up so you say he hasn't sold out. He did. His flow changing doesn't have shit to do with him selling out. You can't sit here and say that you know WHY he changed his flow up on C1. Who knows? But his LYRICAL CONTENT AND SUBJECT MATTER changed to appeal to more people after 06/07. Yes, his flows have always changed, but his STYLE most definitely remained constant up until his big breakthrough. C2 was so different because it HAD to be. There's only one Mannie Fresh. He didn't aim to diversify his sound. He lost his producer of his whole career. He HAD to adapt.
Lollipop and just about everything afterwards is totally different in tone and content. Now his only real street shit is on street songs he features on.
I'm sure you could have a conversation with a real Kanye fan who'd say that yes, he did sell out. But he wasn't as heavily grounded in a certain style of content as Wayne either.
3 Stacks? No. That wasn't a track out of nowhere that'd surprise anyone from someone like him.
And what the hell does him rapping about money have to do with whether or not he sold out?
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@Theonlydjorkaeff & [MENTION=63118]TyIquan[/MENTION]
You're both right, but you don't seem to agree on what counts as selling out, that's all. Technically he could never even sell out because he was in it for the money from the start, changing styles to please a larger audience was to be expected. But that's usually what people mean when they talk about selling out, tho, making TyIquans point equally as valid.
To me, Wayne has always been a "sell out", but he still never seemed to loose his artistic integrity. He releases what he wants, rebirth, IANAHB, etc. And this artistic integrity is at heart of the lawsuit with Birdman too.
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