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  • What exactly is the problem with C5?

    Anybody who's read any of my recent posts knows I love C5 and I think it was a deep, lyrical, thoroughly enjoyable dare-I-say masterpiece that exceeded all of my expectations in 2018. However, I got to thinking: What do people ACTUALLY dislike about C5, or is it just a bunch of ppl being lil bitches cos of the hype and shit?

    Ima go through it track by track, because when I break it down mentally based on what I've read here it seems like y'all like most of the songs -- in some cases A LOT. I am not even gonna comment on the production because I think for the most part we can all agree the production on C5 was immaculate!

    1- intro -- doesn't count, but as far as album "skit" intros go it's the GOAT
    2- don't cry -- dope
    3- dedicate -- dope, super lyrical
    4- uproar -- banger, dope even if it annoys you. plus seems to be on many of yalls short list of fav 2018 Wayne songs
    5- let it fly -- dope Wayne verse, cool Trav feature & hook, seems to be a huge favorite around here
    6- can't be broken -- dope hook, bars all day.
    7- dark side of the moon -- lots of people have a problem with this track, but even if it ain't your thing it's a chick song.. and it's only 4 minutes amongst a run of fire tracks
    8- Mona Lisa -- dope, widely recognized as a masterpiece
    9- what about me -- amazing pop song on par with how to love and lollipop IMO. some haters out there it seems.
    10- open letter -- universally loved by all
    11- famous -- depressing, but raw and honest.. a nice follow up to open letter. Reginae hook is way better than expected
    12- problems -- not bad, but def not a favorite around here. too much Wayne trying to be new school. but still good lyrics
    13- dope niggaz -- dope. old school shit
    14- hittas -- dope. old school shit
    15- took his time -- sick hook, some decent lyrics. not my favorite but others seem to like it.
    16- open safe -- dope. funny af. swag for days. why some ppl dislike it ill never know. so u dislike mustard... so fucking what. you LIKE Wayne don't you? well don't sleep on some of his dopest lines and flows on the project
    17- start this shit off right -- dope. old school shit. great hook(s)
    18- demon -- def a grower for me (no homo), but different and dope, most of y'all like it from what I read
    19- mess -- dope. lyrical, emotional. machine gun spitting sounds nice
    20- dope new gospel -- beautiful hook, Wayne vibes over the production. few weak bars but it's all good.
    21- perfect strangers -- dope. emotional masterpiece. fan favorite all around
    22- used 2 -- dope. fire everything. don't think anyone here dislikes it.
    23- let it all work out -- dope. another emotional masterpiece. fan favorite, clearly.

    All that said, what exactly are we talking about here? People hating on a 23 track album because they don't like Dark side of the moon, what about me, problems, famous and possibly open safe? When that occurred to me I thought jeez what fucking ingrates some Wayne fans are. Crazy thing is I like all those less popular songs to varying degrees! I like the unanimously voted FIRE ones too.... but I just think C5 overall has a dope flow to it.

    I guarantee ppl will respond to this some shit like "well song for song it's dope, but I just can't get into it. no replay value". This shit gets me so irritated. I mean, to each his own, but still... nigga gave y'all like 17 or 18 universally enjoyed tracks, and a small handful that are by no means trash; one could even argue they're some of the most mature on here. Some are just for the more adventurous or maybe patient listener.

    If you can't get good replay out of this project, I don't know what you need. Another C2 or DD3 or D2? Even those had a few moments weaker than other moments.

    My conclusion is: (1) C5 is either too affected by the hype and will only be fully appreciate by some of y'all after a year or so passes. (2) Wayne revealed too much emotion for you. (3) You genuinely just dislike these songs, which seriously makes me wonder wtf songs (since C3 and NC1) y'all do like... because Wayne is rapping better than he has since 2008 on this project.

    That is all.

  • #2
    The issue was promotion.

    it was a huge hit when it dropped and I guess YM didn’t know how to keep the flame going - or expect the hype. Lead to the general public forgetting about the album and it being labelled “meh” even though it was one of the better albums of 2018

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    • #3
      Great album. There isn't really a "bad" song on this album but some are more forgettable and underwhelming. If the album was shorter then it would have been perfect, Mack could have removed Let It Fly, What About Me, Problems, Open Safe, Mess and Start This Shit Off Right and you would have a near perfect album.
      Last edited by Anthony20rty; 01-02-2019, 09:05 PM.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Anthony20rty View Post
        Great album. There isn't really a "bad" song on this album but some are more forgettable and underwhelming. If the album was shorter then it would have been perfect, Mack could have removed Let It Fly, What About Me, Problems, Open Safe, Mess and Start This Shit Off Right and you would have a near perfect album.
        Open Safe & Problems? Nah. Dope New Gospel and Famous.



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        • #5
          Originally posted by Anthony20rty View Post
          Great album. There isn't really a "bad" song on this album but some are more forgettable and underwhelming. If the album was shorter then it would have been perfect, Mack could have removed Let It Fly, What About Me, Problems, Open Safe, Mess and Start This Shit Off Right and you would have a near perfect album.
          Let if fly? What about me? Open safe? All necessary and mess damn ur opinion but I love those songs

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          • #6
            I agree with the person who even posted this. 100%. the thing I noticed through out the years is that as Wayne did different styles. From his early Hot Boys or that Fresh sound. to the mixtapes or the auto tune to the rock sound to the pop shit he does. all that has brought all kinds of fans who like different things. I remember a few friends of mine when C3 dropped they said they wish he rapped more deep. and the whole world liked the way C3 was. Now fastforward to C5 after Wayne added more styles and went through alotta shit. this album is more lyrical from the heart. Im going on but my point is that there is so many fans with different styles from Wayne they love and he cant please everybody as much as he tried. As for me. I am very happy with C5.
            They can do all they can do but they cant break unbreakable. They scared to face the truth cause they hate the view.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ym9191 View Post
              Let if fly? What about me? Open safe? All necessary and mess damn ur opinion but I love those songs
              That nigga drunk

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              • #8
                ask [MENTION=61746]Vocker[/MENTION] he's the only one hating it on here

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                • #9
                  Too long. A bunch of irrelevant songs Wayne's team thought "sounded good" so they added them to the tracklist just so they can gain more streaming plays for the album.

                  Forgettable. Pretty much every Carter album has made an impact in the game, except maybe C1, every other Carter album had longevity, including C4 because of the way it was promoted. C5 is pretty much already old news if we are being honest.

                  The same old lyrics/delivery/flows. Except for a couple of songs in the album, the majority of the songs just sound like every other mixtape he's been releasing during his drought. There is no creativity in his lyrics/delivery, he is just using the same old punchline formula, and almost all his lyrics are just predictable.

                  Outdated. Alot of the songs sound outdated, and obviously that's because he's been recording this for so long.

                  Wayne, just like Eminem, got strong rapping skills, but they both lack creativity now. They can't put a well made song where they not only rap good, but also make the song sound good too.

                  Sure, if we are going to talk about how good he's rapping here, then cool. But its the same thing over and over again, that it became boring, it is not original nor fresh. So it gets boring fast.

                  Its a good album, but a disappointing "Last Carter" album that I can't bother to listen to again.

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                  Carter 4 was a better album overall than Carter 5 too.
                  Originally posted by Shake
                  Why so negative all the time???

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Vocker View Post
                    Too long. A bunch of irrelevant songs Wayne's team thought "sounded good" so they added them to the tracklist just so they can gain more streaming plays for the album.

                    Forgettable. Pretty much every Carter album has made an impact in the game, except maybe C1, every other Carter album had longevity, including C4 because of the way it was promoted. C5 is pretty much already old news if we are being honest.

                    The same old lyrics/delivery/flows. Except for a couple of songs in the album, the majority of the songs just sound like every other mixtape he's been releasing during his drought. There is no creativity in his lyrics/delivery, he is just using the same old punchline formula, and almost all his lyrics are just predictable.

                    Outdated. Alot of the songs sound outdated, and obviously that's because he's been recording this for so long.

                    Wayne, just like Eminem, got strong rapping skills, but they both lack creativity now. They can't put a well made song where they not only rap good, but also make the song sound good too.

                    Sure, if we are going to talk about how good he's rapping here, then cool.
                    Its a good album, but a disappointing "Last Carter" album that I can't bother to listen to again.

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                    Carter 4 was a better album overall than Carter 5 too.

                    his definitely not predictable bro the album has lots of variation as usual with wayne couple of duds on the tracklisting but nothing to bad relistened today lots of depth you got to look closer

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                    just realised this dude complained bout lyrics then said "c4 better then C5" this dude str8 up trolling lol




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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Anthony20rty View Post
                      Great album. There isn't really a "bad" song on this album but some are more forgettable and underwhelming. If the album was shorter then it would have been perfect, Mack could have removed Let It Fly, What About Me, Problems, Open Safe, Mess and Start This Shit Off Right and you would have a near perfect album.
                      Absolutely not Mess. You probably didn't mean it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Anthony20rty View Post
                        Great album. There isn't really a "bad" song on this album but some are more forgettable and underwhelming. If the album was shorter then it would have been perfect, Mack could have removed Let It Fly, What About Me, Problems, Open Safe, Mess and Start This Shit Off Right and you would have a near perfect album.
                        I know it sounds more like a Tunechi feature but Let It Fly is one of the best songs on there

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