Yo seriously

[Dread Lox]

Yeah Glory was dope. FWA was low key his best post prison work until C5. I guess D6 could be part of that convo too. Parts of it anyway.

FWA I remember bumping that all summer long when it came out. Always reminds me of it. Such a great summer. My favorite tracks were glory, London streets, psycho, post bail ballin, living right, White girl, pull up. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Yessir and he went crazy on Street Chains as well

[no_tom&jerry]

FIRST of all, the production isn't better or worse on C4 or IANAHB2. They're totally different styles. You're conflating your personal taste with QUALITY.

Second, lyrics were GREAT on IANAHB2. Almost everything he said was a double entendre or metaphor or simile. Rhyme schemes and flows were on point. It's got classic songs on it like "No Worries," "Back to You," "Rich as Fuck," "Love Me," "God Bless Amerika"

Had some of Wayne's best bars such as:

"I am the best thing since wet pussy, on my private jet with my chef cookin, so big headed my neck crooked, my niggas foul when the ref lookin"

"Man I'm on some other shit. I want another bitch that want another bitch and I don't cuddle, bitch. I hit her with that shovel dick, I got in that pussy & dug a ditch. Some people gotta punch the clock, man I'd rather punch a brick"

"On my private jet and my stewardess is yo bitch, nigga, bitch nigga. I know gold diggers and ditch diggers, you don't get dissed you get disfigured"

"My mind's filled with minefields"

"And granted we do it for vanity not humanity, but what's appealing to me is under banana trees"

"It's like soon as I cum, I come to my senses"

"I'm a straight rider with a get away driver. Hit you dead on the money now you dead on arrival"

"I just can't see myself..living in a house of mirrors. I bought me a double 'R' cuz I went from rags to riches."

Actually every bar on "Trigger Finger" is CRAZY. Every bar on "Rich as Fuck" is CRAZY too.

IANAHB2 is a SOUTHERN classic and is criminally underrated. I think what y'all really don't like about it just how different it is compared to his more universal hits. He really leaned into the southern thing hard on it.

Fair enough about the production thing, but you’re conflating your personal taste with quality as well. A lot of Wayne fans consider those lyrics you quoted to be trash, myself included. Double entendres notwithstanding, it was a very unfortunate style. The flow really didn’t help either. Wayne had an unnatural dick and pussy fixation during this era, to the point that it was just childish (and pls don’t quote 2007 sex bars as if it was the same thing. It wasn’t; let’s keep it in context). One could even argue these dope new IANAHB2 leaks like Light and Kidnap Cupid are also in that vein!! Difference is, he wields it better thanks to flow, swagger, and a better ability to tweak the bars just right. Or at least better (than IANAHB2)

Regarding my comments about production, I do want to circle back to that for a second. I actually wasn’t just referring to beats of personal preference or otherwise. I was actually referring to simplistic, objectively bland production. Take C4 intro for example. You may love it, but you can’t tell me that beat would sound the same if it was produced by Maestro (3 peat). C4 Intro had a cheapness you’re it, like it was made by an amateur on a laptop. Megaman was another kind of no name production that was a poor man’s Ransom. There were a few productions like that on C4 and I’m guessing it was bc Birdman liked to save money.

But C4 had some very nice productions as well. 6’7, how to hate/love, nightmares, abortion, it’s good. Too bad the lyrics were lazy asf. Sounded like he was reading from a notebook he kept in prison. Wait....

FWA had some very nice production on it. And C5 had virtually flawless production. Definitely some lesser known (ie. Cheap) producers mixed in there, but for whatever reason even the amateur beats sound pro. Quality control. High stakes. Giving a shit. All of the above.

IANAHB2 had Wowzers. lol.

[jhoya101]

first of all d6/6r is better than fwa. plain and simple, flow wise, bars, beats, replayabiltity just better. and ianahb2 is good if u listen to it right. like at a pool party maybe at night and youve listended to everything else already. and intro from c4 is hard as hell mainly because of the beat and waynes voice. megamans beat is decent but intros beat is hard.and i agree on the flow of ianahb2. its like a regular rappers album. like a regular mainstream rap album. its why people label wayne in tht genereation a regular mainstream rapper. it didnt have near what makes wayne wayne. kidnap cupid is the kind of flow we're accustomed to. his flow and that album was dam near wack which makes some of the bars not sound good.

trigger finger, and intro are he exceptons and maybe love me and back to you as well.

and c5 did not have flawless production. c3 outside of 2 or so songs is flawless production. c5 would be like a c+

[no_tom&jerry]

first of all d6/6r is better than fwa. plain and simple, flow wise, bars, beats, replayabiltity just better. and ianahb2 is good if u listen to it right. like at a pool party maybe at night and youve listended to everything else already. and intro from c4 is hard as hell mainly because of the beat and waynes voice. megamans beat is decent but intros beat is hard.and i agree on the flow of ianahb2. its like a regular rappers album. like a regular mainstream rap album. its why people label wayne in tht genereation a regular mainstream rapper. it didnt have near what makes wayne wayne. kidnap cupid is the kind of flow we're accustomed to. his flow and that album was dam near wack which makes some of the bars not sound good.

trigger finger, and intro are he exceptons and maybe love me and back to you as well.

and c5 did not have flawless production. c3 outside of 2 or so songs is flawless production. c5 would be like a c+

The flow in IANAHB2 Intro is literally the only time on the album he even flashes the classic flow. And it’s the best part of the album as a result — even if the lyrics aren’t quite up to standards. But Love Me and Back to You have some of the absolute worst lyrics on an album of bad lyrics. Go play Back to You for most ppl and they’ll think it’s a rap parody song.

C3 is extremely close to flawless production, I agree. Few, if any weak spots. C2 was also close to perfect. T-Mix is one of the most underrated producers of all time. Whole of C2 sounded clean asf. Best word I can use for that albums sound: CLEAN. But not soulless.

C5 production is not perfect, like I said, but very close in my opinion. Every track sounds round and full and just sort of leaps from the speakers. The songs are animated with lots of moving parts and changes that keep things interesting at all times—as opposed to a lot of C4 beats which sounded more like DJ mixtape songs. But you also have to realize that’s what they were going for. C4 plays a lot like a mixtape—unfortunately just not a very good one. Think about how the album’s first 5 tracks only 1 of them has a hook (Blunt Blowin) and the rest are just freestyle tracks: intro, megaman, nightmares, 6’7. ........WHY, you ask? A Milli. That’s why. That shit was a game changer not just for Wayne but for music overall. So the knee jerk reaction was to front-load C4 with hookless tracks.

Elsewhere on C4 you got other mixtape hallmarks. Intro appears 3 times with guest rappers// a virtual remix of a Rick Ross song (John) // a return to hookless songs by album’s end. And more. Management clearly wanted to turn “Mixtape Weezy” into a marketable thing. Unfortunately, they were missing the “Weezy.” Instead we got some bored-ass sounding nigga sounding like Wayne. It literally sounds like he was reading that whole album. He kept nearly the same flow for way too much of the album as well. Very beat by beat simplistic flow. The most passionate bars on the entire second half of the album is the Beyoncé kidnapping shit. People always raved about President Carter as being a high water mark of C4 which isn’t saying much. Ironically (or perhaps not) the bizarre, repetitive political assembly sample and overall production is just about as uninspired and gutless as the real president jimmy carter and his unnecessary presidency. The lyrics are marginally better than a lot of the album though. He loses me at the end with that anti-war (?) speech though. It’s not as profound as Wayne probably thought it was. But he don’t give a fuck. He be high. Lol

[ceb420]

The flow in IANAHB2 Intro is literally the only time on the album he even flashes the classic flow. And it’s the best part of the album as a result — even if the lyrics aren’t quite up to standards. But Love Me and Back to You have some of the absolute worst lyrics on an album of bad lyrics. Go play Back to You for most ppl and they’ll think it’s a rap parody song.

C3 is extremely close to flawless production, I agree. Few, if any weak spots. C2 was also close to perfect. T-Mix is one of the most underrated producers of all time. Whole of C2 sounded clean asf. Best word I can use for that albums sound: CLEAN. But not soulless.

C5 production is not perfect, like I said, but very close in my opinion. Every track sounds round and full and just sort of leaps from the speakers. The songs are animated with lots of moving parts and changes that keep things interesting at all times—as opposed to a lot of C4 beats which sounded more like DJ mixtape songs. But you also have to realize that’s what they were going for. C4 plays a lot like a mixtape—unfortunately just not a very good one. Think about how the album’s first 5 tracks only 1 of them has a hook (Blunt Blowin) and the rest are just freestyle tracks: intro, megaman, nightmares, 6’7. ........WHY, you ask? A Milli. That’s why. That shit was a game changer not just for Wayne but for music overall. So the knee jerk reaction was to front-load C4 with hookless tracks.

Elsewhere on C4 you got other mixtape hallmarks. Intro appears 3 times with guest rappers// a virtual remix of a Rick Ross song (John) // a return to hookless songs by album’s end. And more. Management clearly wanted to turn “Mixtape Weezy” into a marketable thing. Unfortunately, they were missing the “Weezy.” Instead we got some bored-ass sounding nigga sounding like Wayne. It literally sounds like he was reading that whole album. He kept nearly the same flow for way too much of the album as well. Very beat by beat simplistic flow. The most passionate bars on the entire second half of the album is the Beyoncé kidnapping shit. People always raved about President Carter as being a high water mark of C4 which isn’t saying much. Ironically (or perhaps not) the bizarre, repetitive political assembly sample and overall production is just about as uninspired and gutless as the real president jimmy carter and his unnecessary presidency. The lyrics are marginally better than a lot of the album though. He loses me at the end with that anti-war (?) speech though. It’s not as profound as Wayne probably thought it was. But he don’t give a fuck. He be high. Lol

Bro President Carter is one of the best songs on C4 and the ending to that song is the best part of C4.

"Gorillas in suits. The holy war, the spiritual troops fighting over the mythical truth. Drowning in the political soup. They shoot missiles and nukes, taking out such a pivotal group. The body count is the PHYSICAL PROOF, and they thought DRUGS were killing the youth HAHAHA"

[Jigsaw]

The flow in IANAHB2 Intro is literally the only time on the album he even flashes the classic flow. And it’s the best part of the album as a result — even if the lyrics aren’t quite up to standards. But Love Me and Back to You have some of the absolute worst lyrics on an album of bad lyrics. Go play Back to You for most ppl and they’ll think it’s a rap parody song.

C3 is extremely close to flawless production, I agree. Few, if any weak spots. C2 was also close to perfect. T-Mix is one of the most underrated producers of all time. Whole of C2 sounded clean asf. Best word I can use for that albums sound: CLEAN. But not soulless.

C5 production is not perfect, like I said, but very close in my opinion. Every track sounds round and full and just sort of leaps from the speakers. The songs are animated with lots of moving parts and changes that keep things interesting at all times—as opposed to a lot of C4 beats which sounded more like DJ mixtape songs. But you also have to realize that’s what they were going for. C4 plays a lot like a mixtape—unfortunately just not a very good one. Think about how the album’s first 5 tracks only 1 of them has a hook (Blunt Blowin) and the rest are just freestyle tracks: intro, megaman, nightmares, 6’7. ........WHY, you ask? A Milli. That’s why. That shit was a game changer not just for Wayne but for music overall. So the knee jerk reaction was to front-load C4 with hookless tracks.

Elsewhere on C4 you got other mixtape hallmarks. Intro appears 3 times with guest rappers// a virtual remix of a Rick Ross song (John) // a return to hookless songs by album’s end. And more. Management clearly wanted to turn “Mixtape Weezy” into a marketable thing. Unfortunately, they were missing the “Weezy.” Instead we got some bored-ass sounding nigga sounding like Wayne. It literally sounds like he was reading that whole album. He kept nearly the same flow for way too much of the album as well. Very beat by beat simplistic flow. The most passionate bars on the entire second half of the album is the Beyoncé kidnapping shit. People always raved about President Carter as being a high water mark of C4 which isn’t saying much. Ironically (or perhaps not) the bizarre, repetitive political assembly sample and overall production is just about as uninspired and gutless as the real president jimmy carter and his unnecessary presidency. The lyrics are marginally better than a lot of the album though. He loses me at the end with that anti-war (?) speech though. It’s not as profound as Wayne probably thought it was. But he don’t give a fuck. He be high. Lol

Lmaooo! I agree with a lot of what youre saying. Thanks for the read and the laugh

[jhoya101]

The flow in IANAHB2 Intro is literally the only time on the album he even flashes the classic flow. And it’s the best part of the album as a result — even if the lyrics aren’t quite up to standards. But Love Me and Back to You have some of the absolute worst lyrics on an album of bad lyrics. Go play Back to You for most ppl and they’ll think it’s a rap parody song.

C3 is extremely close to flawless production, I agree. Few, if any weak spots. C2 was also close to perfect. T-Mix is one of the most underrated producers of all time. Whole of C2 sounded clean asf. Best word I can use for that albums sound: CLEAN. But not soulless.

C5 production is not perfect, like I said, but very close in my opinion. Every track sounds round and full and just sort of leaps from the speakers. The songs are animated with lots of moving parts and changes that keep things interesting at all times—as opposed to a lot of C4 beats which sounded more like DJ mixtape songs. But you also have to realize that’s what they were going for. C4 plays a lot like a mixtape—unfortunately just not a very good one. Think about how the album’s first 5 tracks only 1 of them has a hook (Blunt Blowin) and the rest are just freestyle tracks: intro, megaman, nightmares, 6’7. ........WHY, you ask? A Milli. That’s why. That shit was a game changer not just for Wayne but for music overall. So the knee jerk reaction was to front-load C4 with hookless tracks.

Elsewhere on C4 you got other mixtape hallmarks. Intro appears 3 times with guest rappers// a virtual remix of a Rick Ross song (John) // a return to hookless songs by album’s end. And more. Management clearly wanted to turn “Mixtape Weezy” into a marketable thing. Unfortunately, they were missing the “Weezy.” Instead we got some bored-ass sounding nigga sounding like Wayne. It literally sounds like he was reading that whole album. He kept nearly the same flow for way too much of the album as well. Very beat by beat simplistic flow. The most passionate bars on the entire second half of the album is the Beyoncé kidnapping shit. People always raved about President Carter as being a high water mark of C4 which isn’t saying much. Ironically (or perhaps not) the bizarre, repetitive political assembly sample and overall production is just about as uninspired and gutless as the real president jimmy carter and his unnecessary presidency. The lyrics are marginally better than a lot of the album though. He loses me at the end with that anti-war (?) speech though. It’s not as profound as Wayne probably thought it was. But he don’t give a fuck. He be high. Lol

lol completley agree on the c2 analysis. i made a birthday thread a while back and tht was the best word tht came to mind for me too. clean. something about the album just sounds clean

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lol completley agree on the c2 analysis. something about the album just sounds clean

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lol completley agree on the c2 analysis. something about the album just sounds clean

[freakjasp]

I forgot about the tweet, absolutely hilarious

[back on my bullish*t]

I forgot about the tweet, absolutely hilarious

the one about not being nominated for awards??

[Tha Mobb]

the one about not being nominated for awards??

Think they talking bout the one where he said IANAHB II his most lyrical album to date

[YaBoyInThe505]

i think these didn't make the album because they controversial

Agreed, the way his delivery is on some of the songs is crazy angry. I love it

[freakjasp]

Think they talking bout the one where he said IANAHB II his most lyrical album to date

yup exactly lmao