Best Rapper Debate Thread

[wolverinebball11]

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Soulja Boy > Jay tbh

You are straight up ridiculous lol

[RiCH HOMiE QUiL]

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You are straight up ridiculous lol

[Mr Xclusive]

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Lil Twist is the best teen rapper alive

[TyIquan]

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Fuck yeah I compare them. Age really isn't a factor. Hov is 40 odd and he can rap circles around most rappers in their twenties, most recently Cole and Aubrey.

If Big L didn't bring punchlines to the forefront of rap who did. Lol if you say Wayne.

C2 isn't a classic. I can see a major reason----> it simply isn't good enough to be compared with albums like 36 Chambers, Illmatic or MMLP.

Nah, you don't tbh.

Still important tbh. Fewer classics dropping but still important.

People still judge predominantly on albums. If they included mixtapes, 50 Cent would be a goat contender. He has a classic and is the gawd of mixtapes. But people don't so he's overlooked.

What does him out-rapping Drake and Cole have to do with comparing him to teenagers? Those two are considered two sure-fire greats in the game anyway. You compare them to him, not him to them. But comparing prime Jay and teens is just silly.

And like I said, Wayne popularized punchline rap. Lol if you try to deny it.

Carter II is by far overlooked, and that's a shame. It isn't lacking in wordplay, delivery, content, or anything in comparison to those albums, tbh.

One, 50 is not the gawd of mixtapes. I'm sorry, but that title belongs to Wayne. Two, I'd say 50 can be considered, but he doesn't quite have the skill. He can surely make good songs, and he's not garbage, but he isn't exactly a lyrical beast, either. Never has been, but hell if he's not in the top 20.

[Tunechi2835]

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C2 is not a classic. No one thinks C3 is a near classic. If's and but's lol. At the end of the day C2 isn't a classic and C3 sure as hell isn't. Stop being so biased.

How about you give some reasons on why you don't consider C2 a classic?

[mode]

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Diggy?
But if they're in the same era roughly and the same amount of years then yes it is fair.

Two rap acts have a 100% discography.
I'm talking as an overall rapper. Career, Skill (Technique), Sales, lyrics (Which encompasses subject matter) and influence.

Based on those categories in conjunction Wayne isn't a top 50 rapper.

lol. your argument is one of a textbook hiphophead.
or maybe that just barely past the mainstream hiphop.
to make it sound like you know what youre talking about.

reasonable doubt is classic. illmatic is classic. mmlp is classic

damn bruh. real groundbreaking hiphop shit youve stumbled upon there.

if you really look at jays career.
and hes always been on and offf.

rd was classic.
vol 1 was dope.
volume 2 was wack.
volume 3 was good.
the dynasty was cool.
but that was a compilation.
blueprint is classic.
blueprint two is wack.
black album for my mone is classic.
kindgom come is absolute shit.
american gangster is good on some textbook shit.
especially if you bought into the whole "concept album" shit.
when really it was an old ass jay needing an excuse.
to rap about the shit he used to rap about before.
and blueprint three was terrible.

and the s carter tape was dope.
so that leaves you with five maybe six.
good projects from jay. and obviously hes leveed.
that in the most successful career anybody else.
but how much of that is based on artistry instead of business?

and then you have wayne.
who unlike the storybook narrative.
would have you believe, has alwaysss been.
a good rapper. he was never a weak rapper even.
in the hot boy days. on the block is hot you can find.
even more dense rhyme patterns than the shit he does now.
on top of that. hes way more focused inside these old rhymes.

so once you throw that shit out.
you can listen albums and judge them fairly.

the block is hot is dope.
and all this early music was heavilyyyy influenced.
new orleans bounce music. so its not going to sound like what.
your golden era purist hip hop shit sounds like.
so you cant discredit on what you think its supposed to sound like.

lights out is dope.

and this is where it starts to get serious.
since this is the beginning of where wayne starts to separate.
himself from other rappers. by how extensive his body of work actually is.

500 degreez was okay.

but those sqad up tapes count for something.
on each of those tapes wayne was rapping his off.
and these and the mixtapes after it should count.
just as much as albums should. since were judging.
the body of work of the artist. these were official projects.
that came from the artist. how do you let the record labels tell you.
that albums are the only criteria to measure the artist?

thats bullshit. especially when it comes to wayne.
who elevated the mixtape to where it is now. all this free music.
and the section 80s. and so far gones. and warm ups. and what have you.
all of this shit doesnt happen if wayne doesnt push the mixtape.
to be accepted as legitimate artistic output.

that influence>>>> whatever hes done for punchlines. or whatever big l did for punchlines. and really in this generation of music. that influence>> over everthing

and peep how this is all still art.
this isnt him influencing niggas to cop a basketball team.
or to stop wearing jerseys. or some other trendy bullshit.

back to the work tho.

the prefix was dope.
the carter one for my money.
is classic. its the last time we have wayne x mannie fresh.
and it really marks the end of that whole era. on top of that.
he ripped absolutely everything on here.

dedication one is damn near classic.
and id argue that from top to bottom.
Its probably more solid than dedication 2.

the carter is classic. fuck what you havent heard.
about this album being classic. nobody gave a shit about reasonable doubt.
when it came out. and now its hailed as one of the seminal works of hiphop.

when its all said and done.
i think people will recognize c2 for what it is.

the suffix is damn near classic.
it didnt bubble nearly as much as dedication.
or some of this other tapes. but thats what makes it so slept on.
this shit is practically dear to a lot of wayne fans. since casual fans.
dont really know about it. and once again. he ripped everything on here.

dedication 2. enough said.

the like father like son mixtape.
has some of the best cuts from the carter 2 era.
mob. long time comin. my girl. a bunch of original records.
from like father like son. that are better than the cuts on the album.

blow. him out rapping juelz. at just about every turn.
some of his better verses are on this tape. and stylistically.
he was in prime form on this tape. damn near a classic in my book.

lil weezyana was dope.
like father like sone was dope.
countless dope features.

the drought 3. you already know.

the carter 3 sessions.
and the best of the subsequent leaks.
are as important as anything on here. since.
it lets you know. what the carter 3 was supposed to be.
if you take the best of c3. with the best of what leaked.
youre talking about a mosnterrrr album.

and even it sounds like a what if.
it really isnt. these arent press clippings.
about him workign with dream producers.
we have the actual music. so we can hear for ourselves.
what it was supposed to be. the art > the compiled product.

the carter 3. quality wise. certainly not a classic.
but it was still pretty good. and the million in a week.
is kind of a big deal. considering the times. but even still.
sales shouldnt play a big part in this. since fuck.

nelly is one of the top sellers. ... yeah.

no ceilings is dope.

the carter 4 is mediocre.
but its really his first weak hip hop release.
out of twenty something projects. thats quality x quanity.

and say what you want about jay.
and all his technical skill. he really hasnt been.
a great rapper since the black album. and he was.
at his finest on reasonable doubt. that was fifteen years ago.

and if you wouldve read that piece about wayne.
youd know that wayne is just as skilled as any of these dudes.
but he goes beyond trying to find the trickiest rhyme scheme and patterns.
and often you can actually hear those patterns. but he rhymes.
so fluid that a lot of the time it just gets camouflaged into his writing.

basically if niggas cant pick up how skilled wayne is. its their loss.

and lastly. jay cant hold a candle to wayne in performance.
i dont mean on stage. but in the booth. wayne can give a better vocal performance.
than jay a hundred out of a hundred times. wayne can tap into emotions during his recording.
that jay cant get to. wayne can rap any jay verse. and make it sound good.

you think jay is rapping scarface and doing it justice?
or sky is the limit? helll noo. waynes wayy too strong for that sit.
jay was almost choking himself out when he did otis with kanye on stage.

really really. its wayne > jay. hands down.

jay just raps on a beat. wayne becomes that shit.

word to the ayeee you gotta clappp.

[Cli-City]

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Wayne not being top 50 is downright stupid....What Wayne did in the last 5 years will have him in rap history books for ever..I don't know why you guys even argue with frank...just have your opinions and let him have his...

[mode]

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Wayne not being top 50 is downright stupid....What Wayne did in the last 5 years will have him in rap history books for ever..I don't know why you guys even argue with frank...just have your opinions and let him have his...

because its a forum.

[Cli-City]

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because I'm an idiot.

Fixed that for you..

[WeezYIsCraaazY]

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lol. your argument is one of a textbook hiphophead.
or maybe that just barely past the mainstream hiphop.
to make it sound like you know what youre talking about.

reasonable doubt is classic. illmatic is classic. mmlp is classic

damn bruh. real groundbreaking hiphop shit youve stumbled upon there.

if you really look at jays career.
and hes always been on and offf.

rd was classic.
vol 1 was dope.
volume 2 was wack.
volume 3 was good.
the dynasty was cool.
but that was a compilation.
blueprint is classic.
blueprint two is wack.
black album for my mone is classic.
kindgom come is absolute shit.
american gangster is good on some textbook shit.
especially if you bought into the whole "concept album" shit.
when really it was an old ass jay needing an excuse.
to rap about the shit he used to rap about before.
and blueprint three was terrible.

and the s carter tape was dope.
so that leaves you with five maybe six.
good projects from jay. and obviously hes leveed.
that in the most successful career anybody else.
but how much of that is based on artistry instead of business?

and then you have wayne.
who unlike the storybook narrative.
would have you believe, has alwaysss been.
a good rapper. he was never a weak rapper even.
in the hot boy days. on the block is hot you can find.
even more dense rhyme patterns than the shit he does now.
on top of that. hes way more focused inside these old rhymes.

so once you throw that shit out.
you can listen albums and judge them fairly.

the block is hot is dope.
and all this early music was heavilyyyy influenced.
new orleans bounce music. so its not going to sound like what.
your golden era purist hip hop shit sounds like.
so you cant discredit on what you think its supposed to sound like.

lights out is dope.

and this is where it starts to get serious.
since this is the beginning of where wayne starts to separate.
himself from other rappers. by how extensive his body of work actually is.

500 degreez was okay.

but those sqad up tapes count for something.
on each of those tapes wayne was rapping his off.
and these and the mixtapes after it should count.
just as much as albums should. since were judging.
the body of work of the artist. these were official projects.
that came from the artist. how do you let the record labels tell you.
that albums are the only criteria to measure the artist?

thats bullshit. especially when it comes to wayne.
who elevated the mixtape to where it is now. all this free music.
and the section 80s. and so far gones. and warm ups. and what have you.
all of this shit doesnt happen if wayne doesnt push the mixtape.
to be accepted as legitimate artistic output.

that influence>>>> whatever hes done for punchlines. or whatever big l did for punchlines. and really in this generation of music. that influence>> over everthing

and peep how this is all still art.
this isnt him influencing niggas to cop a basketball team.
or to stop wearing jerseys. or some other trendy bullshit.

back to the work tho.

the prefix was dope.
the carter one for my money.
is classic. its the last time we have wayne x mannie fresh.
and it really marks the end of that whole era. on top of that.
he ripped absolutely everything on here.

dedication one is damn near classic.
and id argue that from top to bottom.
Its probably more solid than dedication 2.

the carter is classic. fuck what you havent heard.
about this album being classic. nobody gave a shit about reasonable doubt.
when it came out. and now its hailed as one of the seminal works of hiphop.

when its all said and done.
i think people will recognize c2 for what it is.

the suffix is damn near classic.
it didnt bubble nearly as much as dedication.
or some of this other tapes. but thats what makes it so slept on.
this shit is practically dear to a lot of wayne fans. since casual fans.
dont really know about it. and once again. he ripped everything on here.

dedication 2. enough said.

the like father like son mixtape.
has some of the best cuts from the carter 2 era.
mob. long time comin. my girl. a bunch of original records.
from like father like son. that are better than the cuts on the album.

blow. him out rapping juelz. at just about every turn.
some of his better verses are on this tape. and stylistically.
he was in prime form on this tape. damn near a classic in my book.

lil weezyana was dope.
like father like sone was dope.
countless dope features.

the drought 3. you already know.

the carter 3 sessions.
and the best of the subsequent leaks.
are as important as anything on here. since.
it lets you know. what the carter 3 was supposed to be.
if you take the best of c3. with the best of what leaked.
youre talking about a mosnterrrr album.

and even it sounds like a what if.
it really isnt. these arent press clippings.
about him workign with dream producers.
we have the actual music. so we can hear for ourselves.
what it was supposed to be. the art > the compiled product.

the carter 3. quality wise. certainly not a classic.
but it was still pretty good. and the million in a week.
is kind of a big deal. considering the times. but even still.
sales shouldnt play a big part in this. since fuck.

nelly is one of the top sellers. ... yeah.

no ceilings is dope.

the carter 4 is mediocre.
but its really his first weak hip hop release.
out of twenty something projects. thats quality x quanity.

and say what you want about jay.
and all his technical skill. he really hasnt been.
a great rapper since the black album. and he was.
at his finest on reasonable doubt. that was fifteen years ago.

and if you wouldve read that piece about wayne.
youd know that wayne is just as skilled as any of these dudes.
but he goes beyond trying to find the trickiest rhyme scheme and patterns.
and often you can actually hear those patterns. but he rhymes.
so fluid that a lot of the time it just gets camouflaged into his writing.

basically if niggas cant pick up how skilled wayne is. its their loss.

and lastly. jay cant hold a candle to wayne in performance.
i dont mean on stage. but in the booth. wayne can give a better vocal performance.
than jay a hundred out of a hundred times. wayne can tap into emotions during his recording.
that jay cant get to. wayne can rap any jay verse. and make it sound good.

you think jay is rapping scarface and doing it justice?
or sky is the limit? helll noo. waynes wayy too strong for that sit.
jay was almost choking himself out when he did otis with kanye on stage.

really really. its wayne > jay. hands down.

jay just raps on a beat. wayne becomes that shit.

word to the ayeee you gotta clappp.

Bows At You For Not Mentioning S4TW, IANAHB Or Rebirth.




But, Yeah, Wayne Is Top 25, For Me.

[plater]

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No words 4 Eminem vs Weezy!!!, i agree both are really cool rappers!!!!

[BlakeJay]

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C2 is a Classic