NBA Discussion Thread

[Cody]

Of course you would know this.

Because sucking another mans dick isn't gay is it? gtfoh hater

[Weezy_KB24]

Most skilled basketball player of all time.

[Cli-City]

Man if we can get Pau to play like this every game the Lakers are gonna be tough to beat....but Hill though......

[Mr Xclusive]

[Cody]

Most skilled basketball player of all time.

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Most ignorantly retarded poster of all time.

[Weezy_KB24]

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Most ignorantly retarded poster of all time.

Kobe is the better scorer, in regards to range, shooting against an opposing defense (whether it's an excellent defender or a zone), and offensive skillset (includes post moves).


Jordan is the better defender.


Jordan is the greater player, when listing all of his accomplishments.


Offensively, I take Kobe on a horrible team, or if I need bulk scoring from an individual.


If I have shooters stacked around that particular player, I take Jordan.


Defense is where the difference is, and it's not really about the ability, but the effort. I believe MJ could have dropped 70+ in his career, but he rarely took nights off on the defensive end, and that made him just a little bit more reliant on his shooters. Given that zones were illegal back then (you had to commit to a double, and leave someone wide open), Jordan had it easier than Bryant if we're discussing offense (hand-checking is better to play against than zone defense and forced doubles), but back on defense, Jordan really didn't have much help when you consider what teams weren't allowed to do. Yeah, Pippen was one of the greatest defensive players of all time, but he didn't always take the best offensive player, either. Jordan would be assigned a lot of two-guards, simply because many of the threes would try and post Pippen up, and because of Pip's post defense, he would also play a lot of minutes at the four.


Kobe had Shaq, but in two of those three championships, he was attempting the most shots AND running the offense. That is a role that Jordan really didn't carry on his shoulders during his championship seasons, as Pippen was able to facilitate, and Jordan would rack up his assists from it (teams had no idea how to stop the duo, so they committed, and forced both to pass out to open shooters, and holy hell, Chicago had shooters).


At any given time, Kobe's defense did match up to Jordan's, but over an entire season, he didn't prove this, all to conserve energy on the offensive end.


The greatest player of all time is Jordan. He has the combination of skills + accomplishments that nobody else does.


The most skilled player of all time could be Kobe, but there are a few forks in the road that held him back. Having Shaq in the middle both helped and hurt him...field goal percentage could have been much higher if there wasn't a 25-30 PPG big clogging the lane in the triangle. If Kobe played next to a legitimate point guard, or a point-forward, his efficiency may have been up due to that as well. Physical defense will never, EVER be more effective than a zone or a double team...don't care what you say, I can vouch for this being a scoring two-guard myself, and there's a reason why there are so many guards shooting 50% or better before the rule change.


Jordan is the GOAT. Kobe is the better scorer. MJ the better defender, as he put it on display every night. Kobe has a broader skillset. If they were both drafted in 1984 (or in 1996), this argument becomes far, far more interesting. Even with what we have to work with now...the gap is not as wide as many say, but Jordan still takes #1. Don't worry...you won't see any bias from me...Jordan and Kobe are my two favorite players, and I grew up watching MJ as the guy, long before Kobe was a high school phenom.

[BlakeJay]

I wish y'all would stop posting Bruce Blitz articles every time you wanna discredit Kobe

[Weezy_KB24]

People are biased towards Jordan also without looking at facts.

Keep in mind these defensive ratings as well...

Defensive Ratings (Jordan's six Finals opponents)
1991 LA Lakers - 105.0
1992 Portland Blazers - 104.2
1993 Phoenix Suns - 106.7
1996 Seattle Sonics - 102.1
1997 Utah Jazz - 104.0
1998 Utah Jazz - 105.4

Defensive Ratings (Kobe's seven Finals opponents)
2000 Indiana Pacers - 103.6
2001 Philadelphia 76ers - 98.9
2002 New Jersey Nets - 99.5
2004 Detroit Pistons - 95.4
2008 Boston Celtics - 98.9
2009 Orlando Magic - 101.9

Not hard to read between the lines.

[Cli-City]

Jordan best of all time...Kobe Brant is #2..As far as scoring....I used to think like that but Blake Jay kinda set me straight.....Jordan was a better scorer more efficient scorer....Kobe was a better shooter...

[Weezy_KB24]

Jordan best of all time...Kobe Brant is #2..As far as scoring....I used to think like that but Blake Jay kinda set me straight.....Jordan was a better scorer more efficient scorer....Kobe was a better shooter...

More effienct due to the extremely easy defense he has had compared to Bryant's. Also due to Pippen facilitating the offense. Look at the facts I posted. Kobe has had to run the offense his entire career, something Jordan never had to do.

[Cli-City]

More effienct due to the extremely easy defense he has had compared to Bryant's. Also due to Pippen facilitating the offense. Look at the facts I posted. Kobe has had to run the offense his entire career, something Jordan never had to do.

I think "tougher" defense is subjective. Onlookers can only speculate on how tough defenses were.if players back then were better scorers or better offensively then that could tip the scale on that argument...and they were...and that is only 12 games bro...you have to look at the bigger picture...

Every team is different....Kobe had shaq so he could've let more defenders go by therefore having more energy on the offensive end....Jordan had Pippen so he could've let up offensively in terms of facilitation.....When it comes down to stats...which is what really counts....Kobe isn't even close to Jordan...Kobe's legacy is what puts him #2 to Jordan if you think about it.....when you start breaking down stats it makes the comparison that much harder to make. Kobe is great at what he does...but when it came to scoring Jordan comes out the victor..I agree Kobe is has more weapons in his holster...I think Kobe is a little more skillful than Jordan.

[Weezy_KB24]

I think "tougher" defense is subjective. Onlookers can only speculate on how tough defenses were.if players back then were better scorers or better offensively then that could tip the scale on that argument...and they were...and that is only 12 games bro...you have to look at the bigger picture...

Every team is different....Kobe had shaq so he could've let more defenders go by therefore having more energy on the offensive end....Jordan had Pippen so he could've let up offensively in terms of facilitation.....When it comes down to stats...which is what really counts....Kobe isn't even close to Jordan...Kobe's legacy is what puts him #2 to Jordan if you think about it.....when you start breaking down stats it makes the comparison that much harder to make. Kobe is great at what he does...but when it came to scoring Jordan comes out the victor..I agree Kobe is has more weapons in his holster...I think Kobe is a little more skillful than Jordan.

Well said my nigga.. Like I said In the post on the page before KB is more skilled, MJ is the GOAT because of skills but also his legacy.