The Wayne Vs. Kendrick Conundrum

[jhoya101]

but put wayne on a control, my heart part 4, or no more parties in la and tell him to blank out.. u and i both know wayne has it...

but tell kendrick to kill a dedication bang bang or a forever dd3 or just any of waynes bets verseswayne just had an element skill tht is hard to explain.. like a delivery or flow tht he could just ride a beat in ways almost none cluld.. and have kendrick be as precise as wayne on an everygirl in the world or bedrock where it is a huge commerical beat and no "kill" flow but just make an enjoyabel verse with swag and bars.

tell kendrcik to make a im a motherfckin menace like cmon.. im almsot certain if u hear the entirety of waynes discograhy its a no brainer... like if u have heard as much as we have and hear all kendrick ur jsut not gonna say kednrick is better im sorry.. on the surface of hearing what everyone has heard and remembers cuz a lot of us seem to forget so easily, one can say kendrick has leverage.. but u gotta realize, alot of kendrick fans came from the 2012-2013 era and use tht "wayne is trash" as leverage for kendirck.. they have vague memories of wyanes commerical prime as they were probably in middle school, and their opinions are farf more generalized... im sorry but if u hear all of waynes discorgpagy then hear kendricks ur not saying kendirck is better. lol its just not happening

[mania983]

lol this is ridicoulous..u cannot really say because one raps about "substance" it is deemed better. there are philophies in english tht disbunk tht whole theory...art is art and a form of expression.. anyone can rap about substance...no one can flow like a jayz or wayne...its just a different level....substance is a choice and though portraying it into enjoyability is a skill, choosing tht is not a skill in itself...u and i both know in our heart of hearts wayne is better...

my biggest argument against the kendrcik debate is most kendirck fans have never heard of dedication 2, or suffix, or blow, or lil weezyana...wayne at those times was just untouchable...and to this day kendrick isnt fucking with tht.. put kendrick on cannon or step back or suck it or not and tell me he competes.. or haterz.. or has more memorable verses on songs like you.. or makes a hook like make it rain,.. or flow like weak.. or bars like ignorant sht... its just not happening.. u and i both know tht.. wayne is just on another level and it really goes without explaining or explantion..it needs no argument.. wayne at his best wa slike magic.. the only one who can be in the same sentence with him is a prime jay or MAYBE a slim shady lp em..

one could debate for kendrick to make his own lane he had to rap on subject matter.. cuz he cant fuck with wayne on just pure rapping ability, bars, and flows.. its just not even close.. i proved this in my high school.. anytime i showed someone waynes real work and they actually listened to him and his best verses, i heard a guy who is the biggest kendrick fan say, wayne is a better rapper, klendrick is a beter artist... tht is subjective... what conent u like to hear is subjective, but from an all around skill based talent, its wayne and its really not even close... his arsonal is huge and his ability to make an impact as a lyricst is greater than kendrick.. his bars pop. they stick.. its like a different level...i dont think one knows how hard it is to rap in a slow flow and hold someones full attention and to believe it is the best verse like a bedrock or evergyfil in the world.. its just not easy..

my biggest argument is if u listen to each, it needs no explanation.. if u listen to the entirety of each.. u and i both know this.. the mainstream only thinks wayne is hustler musik, a milli, 6 ft 7 ft.. they dont know hot sht, no other, dedication 2, forever dd3 etc. like ita just not close.. im sorry but u and i both know this.. we say its preference but its not..

the subjective argument is overblown and hold no real merrit. like becasue its about some subject i should submit to its "higher level". bullsht, my ear test alone shouldnt cause me to overthink a song... thts where kendrick benefits.. we all overanalyze what hes doing.. with wayne u didnt have to do tht.. u could just hear it was great.. a bar would literally jump off the page at u.. "and u can suck my wings, stand on my money headbutt yao ming", "half a milli in the safe another in the pillow case, codiene got me moving slower than a caterpillar race" like it takes no over anaylsys. but even then, kreston kent would show if u did overanalyze its still not even a debate...

The mainstream have no idea about Hustler Musik

[jhoya101]

Personal bias is what it all comes down to. What you want to hear someone rapping about. Kendrick raps about subjects that most rappers don't talk about and raps about them better than anyone does, nobody raps about anything better than Wayne raps about whatever he's rapping about. You might enjoy Kendricks subject matter or instrumentals or album structure more but to say he is objectively a better rapper than Wayne is just false.

Wayne is like a Picasso or Matisse, an abstract artist and weird individual painting an insane exciting picture in your head, taking you away from the world. Kendrick gives you more political/social commentary with more of a community spirit.

In recent years it's become the norm to consider any art (not just music) which doesn't have some current or historical social commentary behind it (esp. "racial" subjects) to be inferior, lacking "substance", and not worthy of praise.

lol thank you!!! its just inaccuracte

thank u this is exactly what is was trying to say...

[Tha Mobb]

Personal bias is what it all comes down to. What you want to hear someone rapping about. Kendrick raps about subjects that most rappers don't talk about and raps about them better than anyone does, nobody raps about anything better than Wayne raps about whatever he's rapping about. You might enjoy Kendricks subject matter or instrumentals or album structure more but to say he is objectively a better rapper than Wayne is just false.

Wayne is like a Picasso or Matisse, an abstract artist and weird individual painting an insane exciting picture in your head, taking you away from the world. Kendrick gives you more political/social commentary with more of a community spirit.

In recent years it's become the norm to consider any art (not just music) which doesn't have some current or historical social commentary behind it (esp. "racial" subjects) to be inferior, lacking "substance", and not worthy of praise.

I love the way you explained this

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wayne DID NOT body him on DNA come on man take off the stan goggles for a second

need to agree with this lol wayne might body him on other beats but not dna imo

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This is getting heated and it's just between wayne stans lmaoo lowkey wanna find and bring a kendrick fan here

[jhoya101]

wayne DID NOT body him on DNA come on man take off the stan goggles for a second

the second part. and maybe bodied was strong, but it was toe to toe

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The mainstream have no idea about Hustler Musik

lol probably true

[mania983]

Wayne is better than Kendrick and will always be better than him. Only ones who can rival Wayne are Eminem, Nas and Jay Z

[back on my bullish*t]

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[TrukDaWurl77]

kendrick sounds like alvin and the chipmunks.

[Zimmie]

Personal bias is what it all comes down to. What you want to hear someone rapping about. Kendrick raps about subjects that most rappers don't talk about and raps about them better than anyone does, nobody raps about anything better than Wayne raps about whatever he's rapping about. You might enjoy Kendricks subject matter or instrumentals or album structure more but to say he is objectively a better rapper than Wayne is just false.

Wayne is like a Picasso or Matisse, an abstract artist and weird individual painting an insane exciting picture in your head, taking you away from the world. Kendrick gives you more political/social commentary with more of a community spirit.

In recent years it's become the norm to consider any art (not just music) which doesn't have some current or historical social commentary behind it (esp. "racial" subjects) to be inferior, lacking "substance", and not worthy of praise.

You right haha im just talking shi for the sake of argument

Ultimately my call was you got to see why people would confidently say kendrick better quality assurance and consistency are important traits as a musical artist

Preferred content is literally your personal choice for me i prefer and enjoy wayne more (obviously) but its clearly outlined why people would say Kendrick is better

[lilweezyfan]

Lmfao revisiting this thread is funny af.
this dude really writes a book in every post yet claimed others got in their feelings

[Zimmie]

Lmfao revisiting this thread is funny af.
this dude really writes a book in every post yet claimed others got in their feelings

I feel this discussion is completely pointless as well like who tf on a stan forum is going to discuss this with any substance haha wayne vs whoever threads are literally pointless we are all stans here and obviously would pick wayne haha
i feel OP just wanted to flex that his not a kendrick fan

[jhoya101]

I feel this discussion is completely pointless as well like who tf on a stan forum is going to discuss this with any substance haha wayne vs whoever threads are literally pointless we are all stans here and obviously would pick wayne haha
i feel OP just wanted to flex that his not a kendrick fan

lol not true, I just felt some of y’all were riding Kendrick too hard in tht other thread. And once again not true about the Wayne stan thing. There are multiple moments where I feel like jay has every much of an argument to be the goat as Wayne. I think there’s stuff he does that’s sonically and lyrically on a different level then Wayne. I usually might fall back to Wayne but I would accept the argument for jay. I literally can’t for anyone else tho. Kendrick is a notch below Wayne to me. Jay is the only one who I would hear arguments from. Or a slim shady lp em maybe. And that argument falls flatter for me. But if u say jay I’d hear u out. No one else tho. I just feel like the reasons Kendrick gets put over Wayne don’t stack up. Like I get his discography is “cleaner” but it’s also incredibly shorter. And I’d take the run of carter, dedication, suffix, Carter ii, dedication 2, lil weezyana, blow, like father like son, da drought 3, and carter iii over kendricks whole 2010+ discography and Wayne did that in 3 and a half years.

As a whole he looks more “consistent” but that’s due to Wayne’s 2010+ blunders. Wayne from 05-2008 was incredibly consistent. And Wayne prob put out more music during tht time. If Wayne would’ve died after we are young money, or even carter IV, his discog would be debateay one of the best of all time competing with jay

Even from a verse to verse standpoint, Kendrick was not more consistent than for sure a prime Wayne and one could battle a mid 2013/2015

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You right haha im just talking shi for the sake of argument

Ultimately my call was you got to see why people would confidently say kendrick better quality assurance and consistency are important traits as a musical artist

Preferred content is literally your personal choice for me i prefer and enjoy wayne more (obviously) but its clearly outlined why people would say Kendrick is better

no still disagree with this. The only way u could confidently say Kendrick is better is if u haven’t heard Wayne’s discog not necessarily in its entirety but at its cruical points. There’s just stuff Wayne does that’s at a level Kendrick hasn’t touched. If u were just judging like the over view of their career and most people who like Kendrick think Wayne’s career started with the carter iii, then u could make the argument primarily due to the fact u probably didn’t even hear the full carter iii and dismiss his pop verses which they prob have a vague memory of anyways. That’s why I always say “from what you’ve heard” you believe Kendrick is better. But I’m almost positive if u hear Wayne’s best work it’s not even a debate. I’m tellin u, a lot of people, mainly the social media guys, And Kendrick fans are not familiar with Wayne’s full discography such as his mixtapes. It’s imperative u hear them to even enter a debate about Wayne and a lot of Kendrick fans haven’t heard any of them. They know wayne as the lighter flick punchline guy. Many don’t know what he did to get to that point