Make an Argument for why Wayne is one of the best in the Game

[TrukDaWurl77]

The most recent "Old Sound" song is - Maybach Music VI in my opinion. It's clearly a production / producer thing as you pointed out @TrukDaWurl77.

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I actually thought you've been trolling man lol. Like on some real shit, it's fine to disagree but to put it to you best..

You probably have a favorite candy, but imagine they stopped being made so your only option is a similar off brand version.

It can be good, but it can't ever be 100% the real delicious official version because it's gone.

If something is delicious / really good why is it discontinued?

Because it didn't sell well enough / other stuff was more popular.

But hey, if it's so good why did knock off versions get made?

Because other people believed in the ability to have success with it, even if not as much as the original.

With the original gone, the market basically becomes under saturated.

The discontinued brand is actively doing something else and it's not as good but it sells incredibly well because it's what majority of the people want right now flavor wise.


But what about those who loved the now discontinued product?

They are shit out of luck, unless they're fine exploring other brands or new flavors.

Brand loyalty is always a cool thing @when_it_snow_im_on_top but the brand should also be loyal to the fans in catering to
making what even a niche fan base want.

If what you want isn't available at one place, you go to another place and if you stop spending your time, your effort, your money the brand doesn't care because they have other people doing those things and their thought is they can always replace the fans/supporters they've lost with new ones.

perfect comparison dude. wayne's career is kind of like guitar hero. unbelievable & the most popular game ever when it came out.. then they oversaturated the market by putting out 65 different guitar hero's that were all ironically exactly the same & over time people just got sick of it cuz nothing was changing & there was too much of it at once. that's my attempt at a comparison hahah.

[when_it_snow_im_on_top]

LMFAO HIS VOICE SOUNDED FINE ON MAMA MIA okay i’m good here if you think that you’re absolutely delusional it sounded like someone was strangling him and he was fighting to push out the words.

also the general public literally had no clue wayne even dropped d6/d6r????????? i think they all gave up after the massive no ceilings 2 letdown.

lots of people knew D6 dropped lol more people new that came out then nc2

[twelvefourteen]

Lil Wayne is the GOAT because of his longevity and influence. He has managed to stay relevant across 4 decades (90s-20s)
Guys like drake and Kendrick, were cosigned by Wayne and are cited as a big influence so you don't get those guys without Wayne.
His prime (2005- 2009) was just a Tsunami of Bootleg, unofficial and official mixtapes and tracks that flooded the market and everyone during those times had a Wayne project on their Ipod/Mp3 device.
Because Wayne has put out so many FREE projects, he cannot be seen as a sellout for doing Radio songs or 'Pop" tracks with other artists.
Kanye West can be excluded as best "Rapper" because he has so many ghost writers and his greatness is on the producing side.

My list of Rappers as far as influence would be Jay-Z, Wayne and Eminem.
My list of Rappers as far as Talent are notorious BIG, Nas and Tupac.

[when_it_snow_im_on_top]

LMFAO HIS VOICE SOUNDED FINE ON MAMA MIA okay i’m good here if you think that you’re absolutely delusional it sounded like someone was strangling him and he was fighting to push out the words.

Yea his voice in mama mia was fine I actually liked the voice switch in the end haha. Its not like the whole song was like that

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My list of Rappers as far as influence would be Jay-Z, Wayne and Eminem.
My list of Rappers as far as "Talent" are notorious BIG, Nas and Tupac.

Tupac and nas lmao. wayne jay and em over both of those two.

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perfect comparison dude. wayne's career is kind of like guitar hero. unbelievable & the most popular game ever when it came out.. then they oversaturated the market by putting out 65 different guitar hero's that were all ironically exactly the same & over time people just got sick of it cuz nothing was changing & there was too much of it at once. that's my attempt at a comparison hahah.

I wouldnt say people got sick of it lol. even jayz eminem and kanye popularity has gone down

[DVNIEL]

Why yall hating on Wayne's engineers. Saying that the mastering on his albums is bad is 100% wrong. And to me, mixing wise, his albums are one of the best in rap. He uses different sounding auto-tune, but that's because nobody uses that classic auto-tune from back in the day.

[danielnfl36]

Why yall hating on Wayne's engineers. Saying that the mastering on his albums is bad is 100% wrong. And to me, mixing wise, his albums are one of the best in rap. He uses different sounding auto-tune, but that's because nobody uses that classic auto-tune from back in the day.

Pain never has had one autotune song be bad.

[TrukDaWurl77]

Why yall hating on Wayne's engineers. Saying that the mastering on his albums is bad is 100% wrong. And to me, mixing wise, his albums are one of the best in rap. He uses different sounding auto-tune, but that's because nobody uses that classic auto-tune from back in the day.

dude his engineers are absolutely terrible. fwa was the last properly mastered album we got. you can literally hear it on funeral/c5/d6/d6r/nc2.. his voice is not EQ'd properly. one of my best friends owns a studio and always comments on how wayne's voice doesn't match the sound of the track & he's 100% correct. he either sounds muffled af or tinny af. everything recent sounds like a bootleg mixtape.

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Pain never has had one autotune song be bad.

t-pain needs to sit with wayne and give him a lil refresher on how to use autotune properly lmao. the "old style" autotune is the only autotune that sounds good. this new shit everyone's attempting sounds so poor.

[DVNIEL]

I think his main engineer has been the same since like Tha Carter. And I don't know, it sounds fine engineering wise to me. I just think that Wayne's high-pitched voice sounds awful, that's on him, there is no type of EQ, compressor or engineering magic that can fix that. And also EQing his voice has nothing to do with the mastering process.

[TrukDaWurl77]

I think his main engineer has been the same since like Tha Carter. And I don't know, it sounds fine engineering wise to me. I just think that Wayne's high-pitched voice sounds awful, that's on him, there is no type of EQ, compressor or engineering magic that can fix that. And also EQing his voice has nothing to do with the mastering process.

nah he deff switched engineer's after the whole birdman thing cuz that's exactly when the quality of his albums/mixtapes declined drastically. idk how you can say the engineering sounds fine tho half the time his voice is too quiet/too loud for the beat or like i said before it's muffled or tinny beyond all belief. his high pitch voice is a whole-nother story i agree with you on that he's the only one that can remedy that nonsense. but dude lmao what are you talking about EQing his voice is like one of the most important parts of mastering a song.......

[when_it_snow_im_on_top]

@TrukDaWurl77

You really didnt like mama mia tho? I thought the voice switch was cool.

Can you give an example on C5 where "his voice is not eqd properly"


and no one wants 2007 autotune... who do you listen to currently? because maybe you just dont like modern music

[danielnfl36]

nah he deff switched engineer's after the whole birdman thing cuz that's exactly when the quality of his albums/mixtapes declined drastically. idk how you can say the engineering sounds fine tho half the time his voice is too quiet/too loud for the beat or like i said before it's muffled or tinny beyond all belief. his high pitch voice is a whole-nother story i agree with you on that he's the only one that can remedy that nonsense. but dude lmao what are you talking about EQing his voice is like one of the most important parts of mastering a song.......

Wayne's best studio guy was Mike Banger, shame he burned that bridge. Mike had him sounding right always.

[dub_1600]

The most recent "Old Sound" song is - Maybach Music VI in my opinion. It's clearly a production / producer thing as you pointed out @TrukDaWurl77.

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I actually thought you've been trolling man lol. Like on some real shit, it's fine to disagree but to put it to you best..

You probably have a favorite candy, but imagine they stopped being made so your only option is a similar off brand version.

It can be good, but it can't ever be 100% the real delicious official version because it's gone.

If something is delicious / really good why is it discontinued?

Because it didn't sell well enough / other stuff was more popular.

But hey, if it's so good why did knock off versions get made?

Because other people believed in the ability to have success with it, even if not as much as the original.

With the original gone, the market basically becomes under saturated.

The discontinued brand is actively doing something else and it's not as good but it sells incredibly well because it's what majority of the people want right now flavor wise.


But what about those who loved the now discontinued product?

They are shit out of luck, unless they're fine exploring other brands or new flavors.

Brand loyalty is always a cool thing @when_it_snow_im_on_top but the brand should also be loyal to the fans in catering to
making what even a niche fan base want.

If what you want isn't available at one place, you go to another place and if you stop spending your time, your effort, your money the brand doesn't care because they have other people doing those things and their thought is they can always replace the fans/supporters they've lost with new ones.

wow. not even gonna lie man, this analogy blew me away. goated.

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lots of people knew D6 dropped lol more people new that came out then nc2

you’re delusional for this. the No Ceilings name holds more weight bruh. NC2 was the first sequel to one of the greatest tapes oat. i here as D6 is another installment in a series that fell off after 4. check the stats b.