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    (roll your weed and pour a drink, cause this is a long post)

    Allow me to reintroduce myself. My name is Fred, some of y'all lilwaynehq.com veterans might remember as 'iWeezy'. I used to be a moderator around these parts until 2010, if I'm not mistaken. I was one of the most active members of the forum, until I became busier and busier and had to turn my full attention to my personal life. I remember this forum had, let's say, "fewer" members back then (Tha Carter III/So Far Gone/Outraged & Underage days), and then it exploded in popularity, becoming the absolute first source for every Young Money fan (and haters/trolls, who wasted our time spamming and cyber-insulting us).
    So before I start this "discussion", I would just like to state that we have the amazing Danny M to thank for all this. It's been mind-blowing to witness the growth of this website. I would never imagine that a guy who's the same age as me (born in 1992, if I'm not mistaken) could pull this off by himself. Congratulations brother!

    So, first of all, I am and will always be a big Lil Wayne fan. There's a part of me who's always gonna try and defend him even when he makes the most varied musical/career missteps. It was thanks to Lil Wayne's music (and in some way, me being an active user around here) that I became a hip-hop head. I started diggin in the crates and listening to every rapper/hip-hop group under the Sun.
    With that being said, Lil Wayne is not my favorite rapper, and I don't consider him the "best rapper alive", although I did believe and promote that catch phrase back in the day.
    Aside from Lil Wayne, I am also a Drake, Tyga, and Nicki Minaj fan, I was one of the first (along with the forum users at the time) to believe in their talent before they became internationally successful. By this, I mean that I listened to Drake before So Far Gone, Tyga when he released No Introduction, and Nicki before she started assassinating rappers in their own tracks.
    So it saddens me to say that, my friends, right now, I am not enjoying YMCMB music.
    Let me explain.

    Lil Wayne: Tha Carter IV had some bangers. 6'7'', Megaman, It's Good, Mirror, etc. But overall, it feels like Weezy ran out of stuff to rap about. Everytime I see another new Lil Wayne feature, I can already guess what he's gonna say, and how he's gonna say it. A couple years ago he would surprise us with clever metaphors and stuff, but now, it just feels like filler. I'm glad he has "moved on" from the whole auto-tune thing, and he kinda stopped singing (How To Love will never grow on me), but I'm gonna need a fantastic mixtape or album in the next year to remind myself why I loved his music so much. And please, let those I Am Not A Human Being 2 and Rebirth 2 be just rumours/drugged out Birdman talking. And please, stop dissing Jay-Z/Kanye West for no reason. I don't know what he (and Drake) hope to accomplish with this shit, but he's just losing respect in the hip-hop community. I just wanna see if he's gonna stand behind his words if Jay and Ye respond. If he does, it will be interesting to watch, because I know damn well that Weezy can compete with them lyrically.

    And his style decisions? Oh man. I wasn't mad at the whole skinny jeans/face tattoos/lip and eyebrow piercings... But what the fuck is he doing with those scandalous boots on his feet? He has to remind himself that his popularity automatically makes him a trendsetter, and it'd be pretty ridiculous to walk around town and see a bunch of kids wearing that shit.
    Other than that, well, I used to skateboard back when I was 12 years old, and I must say that I did more stuff than he be doing in those videos. I hope he steps his game up soon, or stops considering himself a "skateboarder".
    (BTW I hope he doesn't hang out with OFWGKTA too much)

    Drake: I am an R&B fan, so it bothers me when I read "listening to Take Care will make you have your first period" type comments. Yes, his music is kinda "soft", but I'm not mad at that, because, like I said, I'm an R&B fan (Chris Brown (when he makes R&B) is one of my favorite artists).
    What I'm not liking about Drake, is his corniness (I don't know if that's a word. If it isn't, I'll trademark it).
    C'mon son. "You gon hype me up and make me catch a body like that"? Really? One of the most important things about a rapper is his credibility, and spitting bars like this when you're popular for being all lovey-dovey and stuff, you lose yours.
    And the Common beef? I'm sorry, but I was rooting for Common. Let's see: Common releases a song called "Sweet". People ask him who the song is about, and he says it's about everyone who feels addressed (personally, I think Weezy should have felt more addressed than Drake, since Drake falls in the R&B singer category as well). Drake feels addressed, and says some stuff (during that California concert). The next day, people talk about it with Common, and Common says "yes, if he feels addressed, it's about him". And then, he disses Common on one of the worst tracks of the year so far, Stay Schemin (that beat and hook? one word: struggle). He says "we can't wait to run into you". If I'm not mistaken, they've already ran into each other twice: Grammys, and Sundance, and nothing happened. So once again, loss of credibility.
    I like Take Care (although I think Thank Me Later is better), but there are some very corny raps in there. By the way when I say corny, I mean he's trying too hard to be something he is not. It's like if Lil Twist made a song about gang-banging.
    Do you.

    Tyga: I used to like Tyga because of his versatility. I'm sorry everybody, but Tyga has CLASSICS. Cali Love, My Glory and Dad's Letter are incredible songs, but also very slept-on. So what does Tyga decide to do? Make the music that everybody wants to hear. His last 3 mixtapes are full of that stuff (Lex Luger beats, stripper anthems, songs about money, making money, spending money). I mean, I love Like Me, but that's it.
    He is only now getting a real buzz, thanks to Rack City, but that is the main reason why it's taking him almost 4 years to release his second album (and just to give you proof of how much I care about his music, I'm aware of the fact that the album was supposed to be titled The Introduction). Meaning he's making the same type of music that everybody is doing. I would just prefer if he remained an underground rapper, making good, real, and original music. But hey, maybe that's just me. Because I haven't turned the radio on in 7 years, and stopped watching MTV by the time they, well, stopped playing music. So I couldn't care less if your music is popular or not. If it's good and makes its way to the blogs I visit, I don't ask for more.

    Bow Wow: I used to listen to Bow Wow before I even knew Lil Wayne (I was very young). And right now, Bow Wow is a joke. He adopted the Tyga formula, club beats, etc. His lyrics are even more repetitive (and with 0 credibility as well), and he's STILL using auto-tune. I swear his latest mixtapes had the same 3 songs all over them. Damn.
    This shit saddens me, because I want him (and Tyga) to win, but you're gonna need more than that.

    Nicki Minaj: Ahh shit. I don't really wanna get into this, so I'll keep it short: Nicki became successful because people (mainstream audience) hadn't heard a female rapper in a while. And instead of embracing this and keep rapping, you go all Gaga on these motherfuckers. Seriously, Stupid Hoe? Ho.Lee.Shit. The Grammy performance/song? I considered throwing my laptop out the window.
    Not only is it bad music, but it's also a bad image for hip-hop. I struggle everyday of my life because I consider myself apart of the culture, so I have to get used to the side-eyes when I walk these streets or ride in my car blasting music thru my speakers. And shit like Nicki's recent music only makes it worse, because people are watching the grammys, and there's this "rapper" who's gonna perform, and people watch that fuckery, and think "God, hip-hop music sucks nowadays".
    Nothing more to add. (Except a few amazing femcees, that you guys might want to listen to: Jean Grae, Nitty Scott MC, Rapsody, Boog Brown, L.A. and Marz Lovejoy)

    Aside from these artists, nowadays, when I read YMCMB, I automatically think: generic beats, lyrics about the 3 famous topics, and songs who do not become hits. That's why I didn't like the Busta Rhymes signing. Busta delivered 2, maybe 3 classic albums back in the day, and I hate the idea of him changing his style so much from Busta Rhymes- Still Shining - YouTube to Lil Twist - Turn't Up (Explicit) ft. Busta Rhymes - YouTube (yes, I know that in between his style has changed a lot (Touch It, Arab Money) but him being signed to YMCMB means that his style will become more and more generic, seeing how much of YMCMB music sounds nowadays). I'm curious, however, to see how Christina Milian's music will benefit from this. We will finally see the Young Money R&B aproach.

    Gudda Gudda, Lil Twist, Jae Millz, Mack Maine, Lil Chuckee... I really don't have much to say. None of them has blown up, and the music really isn't that good, TO ME.


    I'm sorry for venting, and thank you for reading this. The reason why I made this post, is to see what the YMCMB fans think of all this fuckery. So please, let me know what's going through your mind after this long ass post.
    "I am the one, but you don't know it yet"

    @Fr3dMartins

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    Originally posted by Fredd View Post
    (roll your weed and pour a drink, cause this is a long post)

    Allow me to reintroduce myself. My name is Fred, some of y'all lilwaynehq.com veterans might remember as 'iWeezy'. I used to be a moderator around these parts until 2010, if I'm not mistaken. I was one of the most active members of the forum, until I became busier and busier and had to turn my full attention to my personal life. I remember this forum had, let's say, "fewer" members back then (Tha Carter III/So Far Gone/Outraged & Underage days), and then it exploded in popularity, becoming the absolute first source for every Young Money fan (and haters/trolls, who wasted our time spamming and cyber-insulting us).
    So before I start this "discussion", I would just like to state that we have the amazing Danny M to thank for all this. It's been mind-blowing to witness the growth of this website. I would never imagine that a guy who's the same age as me (born in 1992, if I'm not mistaken) could pull this off by himself. Congratulations brother!

    So, first of all, I am and will always be a big Lil Wayne fan. There's a part of me who's always gonna try and defend him even when he makes the most varied musical/career missteps. It was thanks to Lil Wayne's music (and in some way, me being an active user around here) that I became a hip-hop head. I started diggin in the crates and listening to every rapper/hip-hop group under the Sun.
    With that being said, Lil Wayne is not my favorite rapper, and I don't consider him the "best rapper alive", although I did believe and promote that catch phrase back in the day.
    Aside from Lil Wayne, I am also a Drake, Tyga, and Nicki Minaj fan, I was one of the first (along with the forum users at the time) to believe in their talent before they became internationally successful. By this, I mean that I listened to Drake before So Far Gone, Tyga when he released No Introduction, and Nicki before she started assassinating rappers in their own tracks.
    So it saddens me to say that, my friends, right now, I am not enjoying YMCMB music.
    Let me explain.

    Lil Wayne: Tha Carter IV had some bangers. 6'7'', Megaman, It's Good, Mirror, etc. But overall, it feels like Weezy ran out of stuff to rap about. Everytime I see another new Lil Wayne feature, I can already guess what he's gonna say, and how he's gonna say it. A couple years ago he would surprise us with clever metaphors and stuff, but now, it just feels like filler. I'm glad he has "moved on" from the whole auto-tune thing, and he kinda stopped singing (How To Love will never grow on me), but I'm gonna need a fantastic mixtape or album in the next year to remind myself why I loved his music so much. And please, let those I Am Not A Human Being 2 and Rebirth 2 be just rumours/drugged out Birdman talking. And please, stop dissing Jay-Z/Kanye West for no reason. I don't know what he (and Drake) hope to accomplish with this shit, but he's just losing respect in the hip-hop community. I just wanna see if he's gonna stand behind his words if Jay and Ye respond. If he does, it will be interesting to watch, because I know damn well that Weezy can compete with them lyrically.

    And his style decisions? Oh man. I wasn't mad at the whole skinny jeans/face tattoos/lip and eyebrow piercings... But what the fuck is he doing with those scandalous boots on his feet? He has to remind himself that his popularity automatically makes him a trendsetter, and it'd be pretty ridiculous to walk around town and see a bunch of kids wearing that shit.
    Other than that, well, I used to skateboard back when I was 12 years old, and I must say that I did more stuff than he be doing in those videos. I hope he steps his game up soon, or stops considering himself a "skateboarder".
    (BTW I hope he doesn't hang out with OFWGKTA too much)

    Drake: I am an R&B fan, so it bothers me when I read "listening to Take Care will make you have your first period" type comments. Yes, his music is kinda "soft", but I'm not mad at that, because, like I said, I'm an R&B fan (Chris Brown (when he makes R&B) is one of my favorite artists).
    What I'm not liking about Drake, is his corniness (I don't know if that's a word. If it isn't, I'll trademark it).
    C'mon son. "You gon hype me up and make me catch a body like that"? Really? One of the most important things about a rapper is his credibility, and spitting bars like this when you're popular for being all lovey-dovey and stuff, you lose yours.
    And the Common beef? I'm sorry, but I was rooting for Common. Let's see: Common releases a song called "Sweet". People ask him who the song is about, and he says it's about everyone who feels addressed (personally, I think Weezy should have felt more addressed than Drake, since Drake falls in the R&B singer category as well). Drake feels addressed, and says some stuff (during that California concert). The next day, people talk about it with Common, and Common says "yes, if he feels addressed, it's about him". And then, he disses Common on one of the worst tracks of the year so far, Stay Schemin (that beat and hook? one word: struggle). He says "we can't wait to run into you". If I'm not mistaken, they've already ran into each other twice: Grammys, and Sundance, and nothing happened. So once again, loss of credibility.
    I like Take Care (although I think Thank Me Later is better), but there are some very corny raps in there. By the way when I say corny, I mean he's trying too hard to be something he is not. It's like if Lil Twist made a song about gang-banging.
    Do you.

    Tyga: I used to like Tyga because of his versatility. I'm sorry everybody, but Tyga has CLASSICS. Cali Love, My Glory and Dad's Letter are incredible songs, but also very slept-on. So what does Tyga decide to do? Make the music that everybody wants to hear. His last 3 mixtapes are full of that stuff (Lex Luger beats, stripper anthems, songs about money, making money, spending money). I mean, I love Like Me, but that's it.
    He is only now getting a real buzz, thanks to Rack City, but that is the main reason why it's taking him almost 4 years to release his second album (and just to give you proof of how much I care about his music, I'm aware of the fact that the album was supposed to be titled The Introduction). Meaning he's making the same type of music that everybody is doing. I would just prefer if he remained an underground rapper, making good, real, and original music. But hey, maybe that's just me. Because I haven't turned the radio on in 7 years, and stopped watching MTV by the time they, well, stopped playing music. So I couldn't care less if your music is popular or not. If it's good and makes its way to the blogs I visit, I don't ask for more.

    Bow Wow: I used to listen to Bow Wow before I even knew Lil Wayne (I was very young). And right now, Bow Wow is a joke. He adopted the Tyga formula, club beats, etc. His lyrics are even more repetitive (and with 0 credibility as well), and he's STILL using auto-tune. I swear his latest mixtapes had the same 3 songs all over them. Damn.
    This shit saddens me, because I want him (and Tyga) to win, but you're gonna need more than that.

    Nicki Minaj: Ahh shit. I don't really wanna get into this, so I'll keep it short: Nicki became successful because people (mainstream audience) hadn't heard a female rapper in a while. And instead of embracing this and keep rapping, you go all Gaga on these motherfuckers. Seriously, Stupid Hoe? Ho.Lee.Shit. The Grammy performance/song? I considered throwing my laptop out the window.
    Not only is it bad music, but it's also a bad image for hip-hop. I struggle everyday of my life because I consider myself apart of the culture, so I have to get used to the side-eyes when I walk these streets or ride in my car blasting music thru my speakers. And shit like Nicki's recent music only makes it worse, because people are watching the grammys, and there's this "rapper" who's gonna perform, and people watch that fuckery, and think "God, hip-hop music sucks nowadays".
    Nothing more to add. (Except a few amazing femcees, that you guys might want to listen to: Jean Grae, Nitty Scott MC, Rapsody, Boog Brown, L.A. and Marz Lovejoy)

    Aside from these artists, nowadays, when I read YMCMB, I automatically think: generic beats, lyrics about the 3 famous topics, and songs who do not become hits. That's why I didn't like the Busta Rhymes signing. Busta delivered 2, maybe 3 classic albums back in the day, and I hate the idea of him changing his style so much from Busta Rhymes- Still Shining - YouTube to Lil Twist - Turn't Up (Explicit) ft. Busta Rhymes - YouTube (yes, I know that in between his style has changed a lot (Touch It, Arab Money) but him being signed to YMCMB means that his style will become more and more generic, seeing how much of YMCMB music sounds nowadays). I'm curious, however, to see how Christina Milian's music will benefit from this. We will finally see the Young Money R&B aproach.

    Gudda Gudda, Lil Twist, Jae Millz, Mack Maine, Lil Chuckee... I really don't have much to say. None of them has blown up, and the music really isn't that good, TO ME.


    I'm sorry for venting, and thank you for reading this. The reason why I made this post, is to see what the YMCMB fans think of all this fuckery. So please, let me know what's going through your mind after this long ass post.

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      Re: Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

      It was a good read. I gotta say that I first started to listen to Bow Wow about the time The Greenlight dropped. Since that the G2 and G3 went only to the better direction but the G4 started to sound the same. The freaking come smoke with me is so OLD, why u gotta make freaking 4 versions of it?? These lates mixtapes, I'm better than you and G4 are just so repetitive, What happened to the Big Dreams Bow Wow??? The sweat song lost my hype to the underrated. I have waited 3 years to hear that album and I know it's going to be some pop shit now. I've been fucking with Tyga since no introducions. That was a dope mixtape, those beats Coconut juice + Wayne features were classics. I still like the new Tyga. I don't even want to comment about Wayne but I just hope he fucking steps up from this faggot ass random punclines with no delivery song once in a month era.

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      • #4
        Re: Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

        Originally posted by KidComet View Post
        Hmm... okay *Jim Levenstein voice*

        Any serious opinions?

        Edit: Thanks, Late122. Yeah, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who notices these things.
        "I am the one, but you don't know it yet"

        @Fr3dMartins

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        • #5
          Re: Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

          I didn't read, sorry bro.
          Originally posted by Shake
          Why so negative all the time???

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            Re: Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

            I used to like Tyga because of his versatility. I'm sorry everybody, but Tyga has CLASSICS. Cali Love, My Glory and Dad's Letter are incredible songs, but also very slept-on. So what does Tyga decide to do? Make the music that everybody wants to hear. His last 3 mixtapes are full of that stuff (Lex Luger beats, stripper anthems, songs about money, making money, spending money)

            ^ Best part.
            He does have amazing pieces of work that people overlook because of the strip club music he's making today.

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              Re: Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

              Originally posted by KidComet View Post
              you overuse this gif

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                Re: Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

                Originally posted by Proof123 View Post
                you overuse this gif

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                  Re: Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

                  Originally posted by KidComet View Post

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                  • #10
                    Re: Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

                    Am I cartman?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

                        I can say that I agree with just about all of what you said except that I still like all the MAIN ARTISTS (Wayne, Drake, Nicki, and Tyga)

                        Wayne: He has changed his style up hugely (fashion wise) and it is ridiculous for the most part and music wise his content has been on the decline BUT after hearing his verse on Tyga's Faded Im pretty sure Wayne might be comming back content wise. Because like you said for a while there you could basicly predict what his features where about but his feature with Tyga had lines that reminded me why Wayne is one of my fav artists (miss piggy, cant beat em join em, etc). And the fact that he hasnt released any 2012 music yet Im hoping he is holding back and waiting for NIckis album to drop and Tygas that way he can unleash, BECAUSE im pretty sure he hears everything that everyone is saying bout him so I think he kind of has to prove that he is the "best" again.

                        Drake: Honestly Drake is being him, Take Care was basicaly all RnB people want him to just rap (some people) I love Take Care. Sure he drops a corny line like the catch a body line but I mean just because he hasnt caught one yet doesnt mean he never will. Plus compared to all other rappers small lines like that are nothing.

                        Tyga: I honestly like his Rack City style but I like his other stuff too. And he already said that his album is not going to be Strip Club songs, thats why he dropped #BitchImTheShit mixtape. Tyga is def the next artist to blow up on YMCMB

                        Nicki: I was a fan of hers because she rapped. I was also a fan of Pink Friday (it was different, she sang and rapped, it was cool to me) and then SHE pulls a lady gaga. I hate that she did that but in terms of business thats where the money is at. How many rap fans actually buy music??? I DownLoad almost everything (except Wayne, Drake, Eminem) . How many POP fans bootleg their music??? ALmost none they are die hard fans that support their fav artists. So she is appealing to them right now. Although I see some rap potential in her next album because although her latest songs like stupid hoe are crazy and weird, they are mainly rap songs not singing. So Im still waiting

                        YMCMB: YMCMB has always and will always be Wayne, Drake, Nicki, and Tyga to me. I have never liked any other YMCMB artists (millz, mack, twist, chuckee, gudda) I always thought they sounded to similar. THe only people that stood out were Wayne, Drake, Nicki, and Tyga so I could care less what YMCMB does as long as these 4 are killing it im happy.

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