Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

[YMCMB-FTW]

Well, I don't usually use the Grammys as a "reliable source", but it was the closest example I had. Yeah, I remember when Esperanza Spalding won the Best New Artist Award over Justin Bieber and Drake. That drew controversy, but at the end of the day, the grammys are supposed to award the best music, and Esperanza Spalding's music (while not very popular) was the best.

TyIquan do you have a link to that "Wayne had to step in" thing? Because I didn't see it, nor did any of the people I follow on twitter (and none of the blogs I visit daily. I'm sure they would have talked about it (they even caught Rihanna's "lick a shot" gestures after Adele's performance)).

Okay, let's forget I ever mentioned the Grammys. I'll just ask you a simple question, everyone. Do you think YMCMB music's quality is worse than it was a couple of years ago?

And seeing that my opinion doesn't really matter much, I'll just say that, guys, a big part of the hip-hop community doesn't think so. Just visit any hip-hop blog (other than hotnewhiphop.com, because they post almost everything without any actual opinion), and you'll see not only dislike, but sometimes hate, towards YMCMB. I don't hate. (I repeat: I AM AND WILL FOREVER BE A YMCMB FAN, but I can't help but to aknowledge that I'm not feeling most of their music in the past 2 years.) And while I don't give a fuck if people don't like the music I do like, it's kind of incredible to see that the blogs who are supposed to support the hip-hop genre don't like their music either.

Again, you're letting others' opinions sway you. Most hip-hop blogs I know have never had love for YMCMB. Most of them are a bunch of hipsters who consider underground hip-hop the only hip-hop worth listening.
Saying YMCMB's music declined as a whole is too far-fetched. Take Care was a great, if not a classic album. Careless World is coming up great, considering from the snippets released yesterday. And Wayne's recent features definitely show improvement from C4. Nicki sounds pretty good on Tyga's Muthafucka Up track, so I'm still hoping for at least one similar track on her album.
While YMCMB's music has partially declined, complaining about it here isn't gonna help much. If you're still a fan, at least have a bit of faith in them.

[TyIquan]

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Well, I don't usually use the Grammys as a "reliable source", but it was the closest example I had. Yeah, I remember when Esperanza Spalding won the Best New Artist Award over Justin Bieber and Drake. That drew controversy, but at the end of the day, the grammys are supposed to award the best music, and Esperanza Spalding's music (while not very popular) was the best.

TyIquan do you have a link to that "Wayne had to step in" thing? Because I didn't see it, nor did any of the people I follow on twitter (and none of the blogs I visit daily. I'm sure they would have talked about it (they even caught Rihanna's "lick a shot" gestures after Adele's performance)).

Okay, let's forget I ever mentioned the Grammys. I'll just ask you a simple question, everyone. Do you think YMCMB music's quality is worse than it was a couple of years ago?

And seeing that my opinion doesn't really matter much, I'll just say that, guys, a big part of the hip-hop community doesn't think so. Just visit any hip-hop blog (other than hotnewhiphop.com, because they post almost everything without any actual opinion), and you'll see not only dislike, but sometimes hate, towards YMCMB. I don't hate. (I repeat: I AM AND WILL FOREVER BE A YMCMB FAN, but I can't help but to aknowledge that I'm not feeling most of their music in the past 2 years.) And while I don't give a fuck if people don't like the music I do like, it's kind of incredible to see that the blogs who are supposed to support the hip-hop genre don't like their music either.

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And dude the internet has been hating on Wayne for a loooong time now. Like ever since C3. Do I think the quality has declined? Yeah, I said that in my first post about Wayne. But as a whole? And is it so much worse? Naw.

[Fredd]

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Again, you're letting others' opinions sway you. Most hip-hop blogs I know have never had love for YMCMB. Most of them are a bunch of hipsters who consider underground hip-hop the only hip-hop worth listening.
Saying YMCMB's music declined as a whole is too far-fetched. Take Care was a great, if not a classic album. Careless World is coming up great, considering from the snippets released yesterday. And Wayne's recent features definitely show improvement from C4. Nicki sounds pretty good on Tyga's Muthafucka Up track, so I'm still hoping for at least one similar track on her album.
While YMCMB's music has partially declined, complaining about it here isn't gonna help much. If you're still a fan, at least have a bit of faith in them.

No, I am definitely not letting others' opinions influence me. But you got that underground hip-hop part thing right. I do believe that underground hip-hop is much better than the commercial bullshit. Underground rappers have better lyrics, and underground producers have better beats. It's pretty clear to me that underground hip-hop is better. And they're underground because they choose to be so. Labels offer them shady contracts, and they prefer to be unsigned/independent and have creative control over their music.
I'll give you an example very close to your music preferences. My favorite track off C3 is 3Peat. And that track would NEVER be on the radio/TV, because it doesn't even have a hook. It's just raw Lil Wayne spittin bars. It's got 0 commercial appeal. (A Milli is a different case, because the beat was revolutionary. It was very popular mainly because of the beat (and some incredible quotables... "He's a beast, He's a dawg, he's a motherfuckin problem, okay you're a goon but what's a goon to a goblin")).

Now, considering Take Care a classic... Hm... Maybe. Let's see if in 5 years people will be saying "remember Take Care? Sheesh, what an album". I personally think that Take Care doesn't have much replay value. But only time will tell.

I am not really complaining. The thing is, it's been a while since I've been here, and I wanted to see what the users think of the YMCMB situation. That's all. I'm not gonna criticise anyone for disagreeing with me. I just wanna figure out what you think and why you think so.

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And dude the internet has been hating on Wayne for a loooong time now. Like ever since C3. Do I think the quality has declined? Yeah, I said that in my first post about Wayne. But as a whole? And is it so much worse? Naw.

Thank you for digging and finding it. However, that doesn't really prove much. But hey, at least it's something, maybe it happened, only they know for sure. I gotta say until seeing that I had no doubt that nothing happened whereas right now, I'm not so sure.

But you're wrong in that hating thing. When C3 dropped, the internet was going bananas. That year, Lil Wayne was the absolute, undeniable trendsetter in terms of musical style. And when No Ceilings dropped, I didn't see any hate neither. But Rebirth... Man. I am also a Rock fan, and although at first I was kinda defensive... after a few listens I couldn't help it no more. The album was bad. It had its moments (Prom Queen, Hot Revolver, Runnin, Drop The World) though.

[__cas__]

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No, I am definitely not letting others' opinions influence me. But you got that underground hip-hop part thing right. I do believe that underground hip-hop is much better than the commercial bullshit. Underground rappers have better lyrics, and underground producers have better beats. It's pretty clear to me that underground hip-hop is better. And they're underground because they choose to be so. Labels offer them shady contracts, and they prefer to be unsigned/independent and have creative control over their music.
I'll give you an example very close to your music preferences. My favorite track off C3 is 3Peat. And that track would NEVER be on the radio/TV, because it doesn't even have a hook. It's just raw Lil Wayne spittin bars. It's got 0 commercial appeal. (A Milli is a different case, because the beat was revolutionary. It was very popular mainly because of the beat (and some incredible quotables... "He's a beast, He's a dawg, he's a motherfuckin problem, okay you're a goon but what's a goon to a goblin")).

Now, considering Take Care a classic... Hm... Maybe. Let's see if in 5 years people will be saying "remember Take Care? Sheesh, what an album". I personally think that Take Care doesn't have much replay value. But only time will tell.

I am not really complaining. The thing is, it's been a while since I've been here, and I wanted to see what the users think of the YMCMB situation. That's all. I'm not gonna criticise anyone for disagreeing with me. I just wanna figure out what you think and why you think so.




Thank you for digging and finding it. However, that doesn't really prove much. But hey, at least it's something, maybe it happened, only they know for sure. I gotta say until seeing that I had no doubt that nothing happened whereas right now, I'm not so sure.

But you're wrong in that hating thing. When C3 dropped, the internet was going bananas. That year, Lil Wayne was the absolute, undeniable trendsetter in terms of musical style. And when No Ceilings dropped, I didn't see any hate neither. But Rebirth... Man. I am also a Rock fan, and although at first I was kinda defensive... after a few listens I couldn't help it no more. The album was bad. It had its moments (Prom Queen, Hot Revolver, Runnin, Drop The World) though.

I'm just gonna quote this post since it's the latest one, but I agree with you on many points. YMCMB as a whole used to put out better quality music, and this was until Wayne broke out into the mainstream right around CIII/Lollipop etc. Once that happened they realized that catchier music == more money, and most of the artistic aspects of YMCMB as a whole declined.

Wayne will always be one of my favorite rappers, but for people to say he hasn't changed or he hasn't changed that much is crazy. I've been listening to the dude since hotboys/C1 era, and every single change since then I was fine with until after No Ceilings. He has no quality in his music anymore. He has no delivery (he either spits way too calmly or that crazy hyped shit like on Why Stop Now) like he used to. And people think it's gonna change in the next album or mixtape and it isn't.

Only thing I disagree on that you said is the hate. People were hating on wayne when he was in his prime, and I didn't give a fuck about what they were saying. I still ignore all the generic hate, but you can tell the difference between the people who always hated and the people who used to be diehard fans that are just frustrated about what he turned into.

Bottom line, the fans who have been with him since the beginning can't cosign this new sub-par shit that appeals to the masses that he's been putting out, because he used to be so much better, so I feel where you're coming from, but honestly it's probably not gonna change.

[Flame Beats]

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But Rebirth... Man. I am also a Rock fan, and although at first I was kinda defensive... after a few listens I couldn't help it no more. The album was bad. It had its moments (Prom Queen, Hot Revolver, Runnin, Drop The World) though.

Jimi Hendrix = only successful black rockstar.

...Lenny Kravitz wasn't half bad either.

[Fredd]

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I'm just gonna quote this post since it's the latest one, but I agree with you on many points. YMCMB as a whole used to put out better quality music, and this was until Wayne broke out into the mainstream right around CIII/Lollipop etc. Once that happened they realized that catchier music == more money, and most of the artistic aspects of YMCMB as a whole declined.

Wayne will always be one of my favorite rappers, but for people to say he hasn't changed or he hasn't changed that much is crazy. I've been listening to the dude since hotboys/C1 era, and every single change since then I was fine with until after No Ceilings. He has no quality in his music anymore. He has no delivery (he either spits way too calmly or that crazy hyped shit like on Why Stop Now) like he used to. And people think it's gonna change in the next album or mixtape and it isn't.

Only thing I disagree on that you said is the hate. People were hating on wayne when he was in his prime, and I didn't give a fuck about what they were saying. I still ignore all the generic hate, but you can tell the difference between the people who always hated and the people who used to be diehard fans that are just frustrated about what he turned into.

Bottom line, the fans who have been with him since the beginning can't cosign this new sub-par shit that appeals to the masses that he's been putting out, because he used to be so much better, so I feel where you're coming from, but honestly it's probably not gonna change.

Thanks for backing me up here.

Jimi Hendrix = only successful black rockstar.

...Lenny Kravitz wasn't half bad either.

W... Why... but... just...

WTF man? What is the connection between success in Rock music and the amount of melanin in one's skin?
I swear...


And considering that Lenny Kravitz "wasn't half bad" seems very disrespectful, in my view, since he is already a legend, and he's still alive and releasing music (don't understand why you used the past tense).

[YMCMB-FTW]

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I think it's best to say that this article here sums up just why we will never agree on anything when it comes to discussions like this...

[Fredd]

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I think it's best to say that this article here sums up just why we will never agree on anything when it comes to discussions like this...

Absolutely. Matter of opinion. I get that.

Did you read this part right here?

However, Wayne’s music from TCIII is most likely to fade into oblivion, never to be seen in future culture and most likely insignificant to the state of rap

On the other hand, we have Nas. Nas is seen as one of the greatest musicians of all time in hip-hop, and many of his works have stood the test of time. His debut album, Illmatic is seen to many as hip-hop’s most legendary album, and one of the greatest pieces of musical art ever to grace shelves. However, Illmatic didn’t even come close to selling a million copies. In fact, it didn’t reach Platinum status until 2001, 7 years later. Although this may seem derogatory to the performance of Illmatic, it does show that it is significant to culture, with people buying it to this day, almost 20 years since the release

A perfect example of why 90s Hip-Hop (aka the Golden Era) is considered better to the Hip-Hop heads (who gave a listen to all the styles of hip-hop, from Boom Bap, to Southern Hip-Hop, to Gangsta Rap, and agreed that Boom Bap is, in fact, the best hip-hop there is).

[YMCMB-FTW]

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Absolutely. Matter of opinion. I get that.

Did you read this part right here?


A perfect example of why 90s Hip-Hop (aka the Golden Era) is considered better to the Hip-Hop heads (who gave a listen to all the styles of hip-hop, from Boom Bap, to Southern Hip-Hop, to Gangsta Rap, and agreed that Boom Bap is, in fact, the best hip-hop there is).

Carter III has only been out for like 3 years and a half Give it more time.
And once again, this is STILL just opinion, not fact. Most people these days who say Boom Bap is great are narrow-minded underground hipsters who never listen to mainstream music just 'cause it's popular. Which is why they don't see how great some mainstream rappers are.

[ProBitaz.]

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Tyga's album out.

YMCMB ain't even near no downfall.

[Tunechi Lionches]

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@Fredd

Wayne was definitely getting MAJOR hate on these internet forums during the time of Tha Carter III and No Ceilings. I'm not sure where you were.

These people on internet forums were "on his side" from 2002 - 2006. Any year before or after was pure hatred for the dude

[Drizzy Drake Tyga]

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Wayne always and forever will get hated on my problem with C4 was it seemed sloppy, albums like my beautiful dark twisted fantasy,take care, ambition and even carless world were put together much better then c4. Most people say they dont like c4 but they pretty much all the songs. Im gonna assume you didnt listen to tyga's album yet, go listen to it and come back. The reason why im not gonna hate on nicki minaj is because she likes her music, artist are supposed to please themselves, and if shes into pop right now then fine. I dont like her music but im pretty sure millions of others will. Since the album is called "roman reloaded" im pretty sure shes gonna use that same roman voice threwout the album except the bonus edition.