Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

[KidComet]

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[RoadToC4Fan]

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I hate the Tyga band-wagoner fans who thought "Rack City" was brand new when it had been on Well Done 2 for almost a whole year. They started playing it on the radio and every middle schooler thinks the song is "cool" and shit so they overplay it and I wouldn't doubt the radio does too. At first the song could be looked at as one of those " just for fun" type songs by Tyga that didn't have much meaning, and we all knew it, and now that everyone loves it, it just makes the song look shitty. It's just a "strip club anthem" (as stated before) but some people who think they know rap and only listen to the radio have no idea how lyrically good that song is compared to other Tyga songs and those from other Hip Hop artist.

Lil Wayne's music is repetitive and he needs something new. Tha Carter IV wasn't all that good, I only really liked "It's Good" and a few others. He didn't even have a verse on "Interlude" and "Outro" and those were some of the best features on the album. It had a good idea of the features, but what was actually there, the music wasn't all that great. Weezy > Tunechi.

For Drake, I would have to agree Thank Me Later > Take Care.

Oh and I almost forgot, fuck the skinny jeans and skater look. Gay as hell. OFWGKTA doesn't even do that shit.

[YMCMB-FTW]

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This was a really good read. Only disappointment is that you seem to attract a lot of haters here.
About Wayne, I think it should be pretty damn clear that he CONSTANTLY CHANGES. A few years from now and he'll be all Weezy F Baby again and Tunechi will barely be mentioned. Of course, they're all the same person to me.
I do agree that the songs he make now are kinda repetitive, but let's be real: if he makes deep songs like he used to, how many people in the world could relate to it? Or are there anyone at all? There's a reason songs like Tyga's "Rack City" exists. It's a fun type of song, the kind that you'd wanna dance to at strip clubs and shit. Basically, anyone could relate to "having a good time and enjoy life". Of course, it would please me if his album has 5-6 street bangers here and there. You know, that street shit he used to do back in the C2 days.
Drake is just Drake. And honestly, Take Care is one of the greatest albums I've heard in the last 3 years. It's a bit weird to see him "going hard" at certain points, but who would want to be called soft all the time?
I don't have much to say about Tyga. Anything that needs to be said has already been said in Wayne's part.
Nicki... honestly I don't really know what's going through her head. Tbh, a little bit of me still hopes for at least 1 Monster-type song on her next album. But that is an extremely small chance.
As far as we're talking about downfall... YMCMB is far from it. I, for one moment, have never lost hope in Lil Wayne. And I'm not about to give up now. He is and always will be my biggest hero. Nothing is going to change that. I know for one thing that IANAHB II and Rebirth II will not disappoint me. So will LFLS II.

[Fredd]

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Well, I really don't have much to say to these kids saying they didn't read the post. If you didn't read it, don't reply, it's just as simple. In my day, you would get a warning for that shit.


The truth is that Lil Wayne and the whole YMCMB crew is looked at as an embarassment to hip-hop in every hip-hop blog out there. At first I thought it was offensive because I really wanted them to succeed and be respected, but after a while I started to agree with just about every bad thing they say.
I grew to be a true hip-hop head, as I mentioned before. I like southern hip-hop as I did before, but I can't lie: the music I enjoy the most is really that REAL hip-hop shit. A Tribe Called Quest, Gangstarr, Pete Rock, J. Dilla, KRS-One, Nas, Mos Def, early Outkast, early Snoop Dogg, Biggie, Big L... just to name a few. And from nowadays' music, I bump mostly underground hip-hop.
I don't really know how you guys are gonna take this, but everytime I'm here just blasting some old school shit, and I pause my itunes player to check out a newly released song by YMCMB, I regret it. I regret pausing a classic song to listen to new Tyga/Bow/Lil Wayne. Most of the shit they're releasing is just... ridiculous.

And the truth is: I am not the only one. And the fact that Lil Wayne is dissing the Throne (I don't actually support that "Jay+Ye=The Trone" statement) is just making him lose respect, in the HIP-HOP COMMUNITY.

I say that YMCMB is in the downfall, because a couple years ago, they were looked at as a threat, like, they would kill everybody on their tracks, and sell more records than everybody else. Nowadays, people laugh at that statement. Plus, 17 grammy nominations, and 0 wins. I think this speaks for itself (I don't really care about the grammys, but this time around, 99% of the award winners deserved it). The music they're releasing is not good. Not. Good.
And if you want me to be totally honest, I don't believe for a slight second that C4 sold a million first week. I bet Birdman and all them corporate guys bought like 400k.

Again. I AM A LIL WAYNE FAN. I am not hating. I'm just honestly expressing my frustration.

2011 alone was an incredible year for hip-hop. Kendrick, Dom Kennedy, Ab-Soul, K.R.I.T., Danny Brown, Scienze, Versis, Phonte, Rufio, Yelawolf, 9th Wonder, J. Cole, Talib Kweli, Stalley, and many more, all released dope albums/mixtapes. C4 didn't make my top10 list.

Also... When The Motto video dropped... Jesus Christ. It's like Weezy and Drake want people to make fun of them.

[YMCMB-FTW]

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Well, I really don't have much to say to these kids saying they didn't read the post. If you didn't read it, don't reply, it's just as simple. In my day, you would get a warning for that shit.


The truth is that Lil Wayne and the whole YMCMB crew is looked at as an embarassment to hip-hop in every hip-hop blog out there. At first I thought it was offensive because I really wanted them to succeed and be respected, but after a while I started to agree with just about every bad thing they say.
I grew to be a true hip-hop head, as I mentioned before. I like southern hip-hop as I did before, but I can't lie: the music I enjoy the most is really that REAL hip-hop shit. A Tribe Called Quest, Gangstarr, Pete Rock, J. Dilla, KRS-One, Nas, Mos Def, early Outkast, early Snoop Dogg, Biggie, Big L... just to name a few. And from nowadays' music, I bump mostly underground hip-hop.
I don't really know how you guys are gonna take this, but everytime I'm here just blasting some old school shit, and I pause my itunes player to check out a newly released song by YMCMB, I regret it. I regret pausing a classic song to listen to new Tyga/Bow/Lil Wayne. Most of the shit they're releasing is just... ridiculous.

And the truth is: I am not the only one. And the fact that Lil Wayne is dissing the Throne (I don't actually support that "Jay+Ye=The Trone" statement) is just making him lose respect, in the HIP-HOP COMMUNITY.

I say that YMCMB is in the downfall, because a couple years ago, they were looked at as a threat, like, they would kill everybody on their tracks, and sell more records than everybody else. Nowadays, people laugh at that statement. Plus, 17 grammy nominations, and 0 wins. I think this speaks for itself (I don't really care about the grammys, but this time around, 99% of the award winners deserved it). The music they're releasing is not good. Not. Good.
And if you want me to be totally honest, I don't believe for a slight second that C4 sold a million first week. I bet Birdman and all them corporate guys bought like 400k.

Again. I AM A LIL WAYNE FAN. I am not hating. I'm just honestly expressing my frustration.

2011 alone was an incredible year for hip-hop. Kendrick, Dom Kennedy, Ab-Soul, K.R.I.T., Danny Brown, Scienze, Versis, Phonte, Rufio, Yelawolf, 9th Wonder, J. Cole, Talib Kweli, Stalley, and many more, all released dope albums/mixtapes. C4 didn't make my top10 list.

Also... When The Motto video dropped... Jesus Christ. It's like Weezy and Drake want people to make fun of them.

Just because hip-hop today is different from the old days doesn't mean it's "fake" or anything. I really hate it when people start saying they listen to "real hip-hop" or something like that. That's downright stupid.
And as far as "The Throne" diss goes, I don't think it was supposed to be a serious diss. Remember a few months ago when he spitted that "my dick wanna be the next black president" line? That wasn't serious either. Sometimes Wayne would just spit out random joke lines and see how people react. And quite honestly, most people would just go nuts like "Oh my gawd that was awesome!".

[Fredd]

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Just because hip-hop today is different from the old days doesn't mean it's "fake" or anything. I really hate it when people start saying they listen to "real hip-hop" or something like that. That's downright stupid.
And as far as "The Throne" diss goes, I don't think it was supposed to be a serious diss. Remember a few months ago when he spitted that "my dick wanna be the next black president" line? That wasn't serious either. Sometimes Wayne would just spit out random joke lines and see how people react. And quite honestly, most people would just go nuts like "Oh my gawd that was awesome!".

Hip-hop has changed, yes. Dom Kennedy doesn't sound nothing like old school hip-hop, and it's still dope. YMCMB? Not so much.
But then again, it all comes down to opinions. You like it? Hey, that's cool. Not here to judge you. But I have to say that a couple years ago their music was way better and less corny.

About the Jay/Kanye diss... I'm sorry, but this is not meant to be a joke. You can't say "What you wanna Watch? She said 'surely not The Throne'" then drop the mic and expect people to take it without seriousness. He is obviously bitter that with Otis and Niggas In Paris alone they reigned mainstream hip-hop in 2011. No gimmicks, just music.

[YMCMB-FTW]

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Hip-hop has changed, yes. Dom Kennedy doesn't sound nothing like old school hip-hop, and it's still dope. YMCMB? Not so much.
But then again, it all comes down to opinions. You like it? Hey, that's cool. Not here to judge you. But I have to say that a couple years ago their music was way better and less corny.

About the Jay/Kanye diss... I'm sorry, but this is not meant to be a joke. You can't say "What you wanna Watch? She said 'surely not The Throne'" then drop the mic and expect people to take it without seriousness. He is obviously bitter that with Otis and Niggas In Paris alone they reigned mainstream hip-hop in 2011. No gimmicks, just music.

She Will? How to Love? Mirror?
I swear everybody keeps saying music in the past was better. It's like how your parents never like the music you listen to and instead go listen to some old ass New Kids on the Block songs

[Fredd]

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She Will? How to Love? Mirror?
I swear everybody keeps saying music in the past was better. It's like how your parents never like the music you listen to and instead go listen to some old ass New Kids on the Block songs

She Will? How To Love? Mirror? Are you serious? First of all How To Love is not hip-hop (don't EVEN try to debate me on that), and are you really comparing the impact that She Will and Mirror had with Otis/Niggas In Paris?
Sheesh.

But man... Music in the past WAS better. That's a FACT. Music was made as form of art, nowadays it's all about the money. It's all corporate today. Music is made with the intention of topping the charts, that's why it's not real anymore. Back then, the best records would be the ones selling the most copies, which is the exact opposite of what's happening today (with a few exceptions).

[YMCMB-FTW]

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She Will? How To Love? Mirror? Are you serious? First of all How To Love is not hip-hop (don't EVEN try to debate me on that), and are you really comparing the impact that She Will and Mirror had with Otis/Niggas In Paris?
Sheesh.

But man... Music in the past WAS better. That's a FACT. Music was made as form of art, nowadays it's all about the money. It's all corporate today. Music is made with the intention of topping the charts, that's why it's not real anymore. Back then, the best records would be the ones selling the most copies, which is the exact opposite of what's happening today (with a few exceptions).

Otis and Niggas in Paris aren't that much different from the usual rap topics: bragging about your swag. Something Wayne does quite often.
And just to be clear, what kind of impact are we talking here? 'Cause if we're talking about chart impact, She Will and Mirror definitely wins hands down.
I do agree that music isn't like the way it used to be. But then, who do we blame? Not the ones making shitty pop music. They only make that kind of music because they know 90% people out there wanna party to it. It all comes down to what the consumers want. That's how all kinds of business work.

[Fredd]

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Otis and Niggas in Paris aren't that much different from the usual rap topics: bragging about your swag. Something Wayne does quite often.
And just to be clear, what kind of impact are we talking here? 'Cause if we're talking about chart impact, She Will and Mirror definitely wins hands down.
I do agree that music isn't like the way it used to be. But then, who do we blame? Not the ones making shitty pop music. They only make that kind of music because they know 90% people out there wanna party to it. It all comes down to what the consumers want. That's how all kinds of business work.

I can't believe I'm even arguing about this right now.
During the 2nd half of 2011, all you heard were quotes from Otis or Niggas In Paris. These tracks got QUOTABLES, and that's a big part of what defines a hit. "Niggas talking real reckless: stuntmen", "Lookin' like wealth I'm bout to call the paparazzi on myself", "sophisticated ignorance I write my curses in cursive", (+ every line from niggas in paris, including the most shouted line of the year "that shit cray").
And the beats?? Sheesh. Otis is a classic sampled beat, some College Dropout/Late Registration type shit, whereas Niggas in Paris is undeniably the hottest beat of the year (having every rapper doing remixes/freestyles over it, without the official instrumental even being released). You know why? Because they didn't do music similar to the "hot" music of the moment: instead, they redefined the "hot" music, releasing 2 songs completely different from what everybody else released. (BTW, Niggas In Paris was not even supposed to be a single. The PEOPLE made it a single).
You really think She Will and Mirror crossed over better than these two records? I'm sorry, but you're buggin. Cause this right here is a fact, it's not even a matter of opinion.

Yes, those 2 songs consist of luxury rap (which I'm not particularly a fan) and nothing more. But, once again, they had QUOTABLES. When I think about She Will, all I can remember aside from the hook is "Go and pop that pussy for a real nigga".

And about that "It all comes down to what the consumers want", that's EXACTLY what I've been complaining about: artists making the music that people want to hear. Jay and Ye did the exact opposite: they made the music they felt like doing, and the people liked it so much, it became the new "hit". If only any (established) rapper did the same thing... People would stop complaining about how bad the situation in hip-hop is nowadays.

[Tunechi Lionches]

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Idk wtf happened to Nicki.

[TyIquan]

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Honestly...dude...when I read your posts I see someone who let another's opinion sway their own. Especially with your later replies.

Wayne: Dude hasn't REALLY changed. Sorry to break it to you. Why do you hear the same shit from him lately? Because those are the only features he does. Songs with no topics what-so-ever. They're all mostly bragger songs, and that's what Wayne does best. It's been that way for years. He's either bragging about money, the streets, or a bitch. It's just how he operates. The only time he puts out the meaningful crap you want is when he's put on those records, as he rarely does them himself. It's always been how things went. His own albums are even dominated by bragger rap. Very few "meaningful" songs on them. And his one album that actually had a lot of meaningful songs on it was panned STRICTLY BECAUSE OF WHAT IT WAS. Wayne's Rebirth album was actually really good and far underrated. He's one of the most diverse rappers ever. He can hop on anything and actually belong. He can adapt and make shit his own. Now has his skill declined as of late? Yeah, or it least it seems that way. Maybe he just isn't trying as hard. Maybe it's just because of what he talks about. But he's not leagues worse than he was. I'm sorry, but you're pretty much a hater now. And it's possible to say you're a fan but really bruh...you gave in to the YMCMB=wack thing. I mean...when you refuse to believe that sold a million records you're just a hater.

Drake: The shit you're complaining about with Drake? Unfounded at this point. He's been talking sideways for a long ass time now. I mean before SFG. And what the fuck does it matter anyway? Surprise surprise, alot of niggaz ain't as hard as they would lead you to believe. But Drake is skilled. One of the best doin' it, no doubt. Wanna hate on him for singing? This shit ain't new either. Drake haters confuse the fuck outta me.

Nicki: Now she's definitely different than she used to be. She doesn't seem to have any DNA of her previous body of work, unlike Wayne. But like Wayne, she's still talented and versatile as fuck. She catches a lot of flack because of this. Everyone wants her to "just rap." Why? Music has a broad audience. If you can successfully reach out to more of them, why not? Everyone acts as though she's so wack right now, and she isn't. Sure she should probably leave the sd flow to Big Sean(who doesn't even use it anymore), but she isn't wack. People just don't like her delivery(voices). RIM and SH actually have good lyrics. And her songs Marilyn Monroe and Starship are great.

And the big thing about these three...they fuckin' sell like hotcakes! How the hell are they on a decline!?

Tyga: I don't really have much to say about him. I think he's wack as fuck, but he's gaining popularity, and I actually want to hear Careless World, to see if he's better than I think, because honestly he's not anywhere near the top 3 in skill, and he's even weaker than some of the less popular members.

Mack, Gudda, Streets: These three have been with Wayne forever. Mack is actually a really good rapper. But I don't think he really wants to get out there like that. He's the YM president and I think he's good with the occasional feature and mixtape. Gudda can be good. When he's forcing out punchlines he's terribly subpar, but when he's not? Too good. Fuck Today and Politiks>>>. If he did that more often, his respect level would go through the roof, but he's popular with street songs for less popular artists. Streets...just takes up space. These three will never blow up. They just aren't marketable anymore.

Twist, Chuckee, Millz, Gunz, Short: Twist is WAAAAAY better than a lot of people around here give him credit for. He regularly murks the YM secondary, Tyga included. All they see is that he's a kid(which he's not, he's 19) and all they hear is his voice and write him off. Chuckee is getting better, Twap or Die was a decent mixtape, and I used to HATE those two. Millz is decent, but he won't blow up either, for the same reason Mack, Gudda, and Streets won't. He's not marketable and he isn't a street rapper. Gunz is good, and I can see him picking up steam if he does a little more. Short is good as well, but I'm not sure if he'll blow up either...

Don't wanna talk about CM, but no. YMCMB is not on a downfall. That's the consensus of the internet and the vocal haters and their sheep who hate anything Wayne. But Wayne sold about a million in a week, Drake sold over 600 in a week, and those two along with Nicki were everywhere last year. Hell, even Khaled got his highest charting singles and album under YMCMB, if I'm not mistaken.