Discussion: What's the consensus? Is YMCMB on the downfall?

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I hate the Tyga band-wagoner fans who thought "Rack City" was brand new when it had been on Well Done 2 for almost a whole year. They started playing it on the radio and every middle schooler thinks the song is "cool" and shit so they overplay it and I wouldn't doubt the radio does too. At first the song could be looked at as one of those " just for fun" type songs by Tyga that didn't have much meaning, and we all knew it, and now that everyone loves it, it just makes the song look shitty. It's just a "strip club anthem" (as stated before) but some people who think they know rap and only listen to the radio have no idea how lyrically good that song is compared to other Tyga songs and those from other Hip Hop artist.

Yeah I've been listening to him since Well Done 1.

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Twist, Chuckee, Millz, Gunz, Short: Twist is WAAAAAY better than a lot of people around here give him credit for. He regularly murks the YM secondary, Tyga included. All they see is that he's a kid (which he's not, he's 19) and all they hear is his voice and write him off. Chuckee is getting better, Twap or Die was a decent mixtape, and I used to HATE those two. Millz is decent, but he won't blow up either, for the same reason Mack, Gudda, and Streets won't. He's not marketable and he isn't a street rapper. Gunz is good, and I can see him picking up steam if he does a little more. Short is good as well, but I'm not sure if he'll blow up either...

The problem with Short Dawg (as explained in another thread) is he doesn't even TRY!
At least most of the lower YM members (Gudda, Millz, etc) put out shitloads of music and tour 24/7. Short puts out like 1 or 2 tapes a year, and those aren't even that good.

[RoadToC4Fan]

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Yeah I've been listening to him since Well Done 1.

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The problem with Short Dawg (as explained in another thread) is he doesn't even TRY!
At least most of the lower YM members (Gudda, Millz, etc) put out shitloads of music and tour 24/7. Short puts out like 1 or 2 tapes a year, and those aren't even that good.

The good thing about Short though is that he has his own style, I guess.

[Weezy_KB24]

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Come on people. YMCMB isn't falling off, and sure as fuck aren't going anywhere anytime soon. This is a ridiculous thread... It's like OMG Wayne wears something different than other people, he's done, he fell off, he's a sell out, etc. IMO that seems to be what's WRONG with society these days. You have to fit in with what EVERYONE else does, or their is a "problem" with you. Weren't we tought as kids to do what we wanted and not feel the need to fit in to what society wants us to do?

People are overreacting because they've never seen this before, which makes it so special. Years from now we'll remember what Wayne and his crew did for music. YMCMB is probably going to be one of the most well known rap labels.. Ever.

& they falling off exactly? If anything they're expanding and becoming bigger than ever.

I don't even gotta speak on how big Wayne, Drake, and Nicki are.. And now we've got Tyga who has the potential to do 200K first week? How the fuck a label got someone who can sell a milli first week, two people that can do like 600K first week, and ANOTHER person who can do 200K first week?

Music wise people overreact and Say Wayne "Fell off"... IMO he hasn't really. I fuck with C4 it's not his best, but it's not sooo terrible. And people forgot that last year yes in 2011 he dropped some crazy fucking verses. Y'all forget to quick and listen to OTHER people's opinions and feel like you have to fit in and say the same shit.

Some people here say Wayne fell of in 2011... But he dropped verses like this -

Look at me Now
Hustle Hard
Fuck Food
Sleazy Remix
I'mma Boss Remix
Money in my Pocket
Ballin
Grenade
Red Bandana
Smoke Sumthin
So Good
All Aboard
Grapes on a Vine
Original
HYFR
The Real Her

^ All dope ass verses IMO.

And on top of that he gave us some fucking crazy songs seems like y'all forgot -

Rollin
President Carter
6f7f
NOTB
She Will
It's Good
Mirror
Novacane
Up up & Away
Throwed off (crazy ass verse)
Sure thing
Racks
Sorry 4 The Wait
Gucci Gucci


And so far in 2012 he's killed both his verses.


He's used some bad punchlines his whole career. In 07' Maybe his best year ever he had lines like "I'm a goon like go-on", in 2011 he switched his style up and used a more supa dupa flow which was HOT and dropped some of the illest punchlines ever.

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Red Bandanna was fuckin sick! The beat drops, then 2 secs late weezy goes ham.

[Fredd]

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Okay, so I guess this answers my question.
LOL at all of this. (although no one mentioned the 0-17 loss at the grammys)

[YMCMB-FTW]

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Okay, so I guess this answers my question.
LOL at all of this. (although no one mentioned the 0-17 loss at the grammys)

You keep falling to the haters' side

[Fredd]

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You keep falling to the haters' side

What more can I say? No matter how many facts I bring to the table, the fans are always going to defend Weezy. I've stated and repeated, I AM A FAN, but I am still able to point out the bad things.
But what I've learned, is that YMCMB is in fact better than ever. That's why they won 0 out of 17 grammys, I guess.

Plus, y'all keep replying me with the typical "they sold more than... in the first week". What the fuck does that mean? It means they have more fans than... . Nothing else. Because the music wasn't the best. Otherwise, they would have won awards. And "that's what the people want to hear (...) it's where the money is"... If you ask me, that's a damn shame, and that's the reason hip-hop situation is not the best at the moment. Oh wait, I'm guessing y'all think hip-hop is better than ever, and there's no such thing as "hip-hop is dead" or any other similar statements.

It would be more simple to say "I don't give a fuck, because I'm a fan, and he's the artist that I follow and enjoy". In that case, more power to you and enjoy the music.

[YMCMB-FTW]

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What more can I say? No matter how many facts I bring to the table, the fans are always going to defend Weezy. I've stated and repeated, I AM A FAN, but I am still able to point out the bad things.
But what I've learned, is that YMCMB is in fact better than ever. That's why they won 0 out of 17 grammys, I guess.

Plus, y'all keep replying me with the typical "they sold more than... in the first week". What the fuck does that mean? It means they have more fans than... . Nothing else. Because the music wasn't the best. Otherwise, they would have won awards. And "that's what the people want to hear (...) it's where the money is"... If you ask me, that's a damn shame, and that's the reason hip-hop situation is not the best at the moment. Oh wait, I'm guessing y'all think hip-hop is better than ever, and there's no such thing as "hip-hop is dead" or any other similar statements.

It would be more simple to say "I don't give a fuck, because I'm a fan, and he's the artist that I follow and enjoy". In that case, more power to you and enjoy the music.

So they had a bad year. Woop de doo. You act like the biggest businesses around the world ain't never had a slump before.
Making music isn't just creating art anymore. It's a JOB. Now are you gonna tell me you don't want high salary for your job? Hell naw. And don't even argue with me about YMCMB already making shitloads of money.

[Fredd]

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So they had a bad year. Woop de doo. You act like the biggest businesses around the world ain't never had a slump before.
Making music isn't just creating art anymore. It's a JOB. Now are you gonna tell me you don't want high salary for your job? Hell naw. And don't even argue with me about YMCMB already making shitloads of money.

I agree with you. But the thing you have to understand is that Hip-Hop aficionados (like myself) defend the theory that Art > Money. And the thing is, if your art is good, the money will come eventually. And that's what we want, quality music.
There's a perfect example right in front of us. The most successful album of 2011 was Adele's 21. Do you consider that album commercial? Not at all. She made the music she felt like doing. She didn't make pop music, far from that. She just showcased her incredible talent, and let her voice hit the people. Her winning so many awards was a breath of fresh air for music, because she showed that you can still be successful with raw talent, no gimmicks (Nicki Minaj is the queen of gimmicks).

I'm an aspiring producer. And just like Nitty Scott MC said in an interview, "my manager asked me 'do you want to be respected in the hip-hop community, or do you want to be rich', and I didn't hesitate to chose respect". That's how I feel. I want to make beats that I feel are good, opposite to the next pop hits.
I know that if my music is good, the money will eventually come my way. Be a trendsetter, not a trend follower.

[Danny M]

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What more can I say? No matter how many facts I bring to the table, the fans are always going to defend Weezy. I've stated and repeated, I AM A FAN, but I am still able to point out the bad things.
But what I've learned, is that YMCMB is in fact better than ever. That's why they won 0 out of 17 grammys, I guess.

Plus, y'all keep replying me with the typical "they sold more than... in the first week". What the fuck does that mean? It means they have more fans than... . Nothing else. Because the music wasn't the best. Otherwise, they would have won awards. And "that's what the people want to hear (...) it's where the money is"... If you ask me, that's a damn shame, and that's the reason hip-hop situation is not the best at the moment. Oh wait, I'm guessing y'all think hip-hop is better than ever, and there's no such thing as "hip-hop is dead" or any other similar statements.

It would be more simple to say "I don't give a fuck, because I'm a fan, and he's the artist that I follow and enjoy". In that case, more power to you and enjoy the music.

Don't just go with the GRAMMYs though bro. I'm pretty sure everyone would of thought Nicki Minaj and J. Cole would of won Best New Artist 2012. Also remember the year before, when some randomer won the same award over Justin Bieber and Drake. WTF

Also, Lil Wayne's "How To Love" single should of been nominated at the GRAMMYs this year, but for some reason YMCMB didn't put it forward. Maybe that would of had a chance of winning one...

Anyways, I'll let the convo carry on.

[TyIquan]

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So we're trying to base the success off the Grammy's? I know it's before you became a fan, but did you know Wayne didnt get Grammy's for C2? He should have.

You are saying we're unwilling to listen to you, but you're unwilling to listen as well. I pretty much explained this. You're just wrong about them. And you were actually off with Drake as he and Common did get into it at the Grammy's and Wayne had to step in. Or so I saw.

[Fredd]

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Well, I don't usually use the Grammys as a "reliable source", but it was the closest example I had. Yeah, I remember when Esperanza Spalding won the Best New Artist Award over Justin Bieber and Drake. That drew controversy, but at the end of the day, the grammys are supposed to award the best music, and Esperanza Spalding's music (while not very popular) was the best.

TyIquan do you have a link to that "Wayne had to step in" thing? Because I didn't see it, nor did any of the people I follow on twitter (and none of the blogs I visit daily. I'm sure they would have talked about it (they even caught Rihanna's "lick a shot" gestures after Adele's performance)).

Okay, let's forget I ever mentioned the Grammys. I'll just ask you a simple question, everyone. Do you think YMCMB music's quality is worse than it was a couple of years ago?

And seeing that my opinion doesn't really matter much, I'll just say that, guys, a big part of the hip-hop community doesn't think so. Just visit any hip-hop blog (other than hotnewhiphop.com, because they post almost everything without any actual opinion), and you'll see not only dislike, but sometimes hate, towards YMCMB. I don't hate. (I repeat: I AM AND WILL FOREVER BE A YMCMB FAN, but I can't help but to aknowledge that I'm not feeling most of their music in the past 2 years.) And while I don't give a fuck if people don't like the music I do like, it's kind of incredible to see that the blogs who are supposed to support the hip-hop genre don't like their music either.